[AusNOG] Off Topic - Brisbane recruitment recommendations

[Andrew Khoo]

new Skilled Occupation List for 2016-17 (
https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/SOL)
means "let the abuse of 457s begin!!!"

:)




On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Cameron Murray <cameron.murray at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Matt,
>
> That is exactly the thought however as most MSP will know majority of the
> work is level 1 and 2 mixed together which is why we've always run just a 1
> & 2 system.
>
> We are really interested in to see what people expect from a 3 tier system
> in the MSP environment.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Matt Smee <m.smee at unsw.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> I can see the 1-2 model being applicable for many
>> small-medium organisations, but as they grow and the red tape becomes
>> longer there's an almost inevitable generic 'call centre/helpdesk' that's
>> slipped under it, acting as the new "level 1".
>>
>>
>> Perhaps an easy solution is to relabel your existing levels (for
>> potential employees) by saying:
>>
>> level 1&2
>>
>> level 3
>>
>>
>> when describing the roles?
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Matt.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Cameron
>> Murray <cameron.murray at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 May 2016 9:05:28 AM
>> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Off Topic - Brisbane recruitment recommendations
>>
>> Coming back on subject a little we are looking to define our process and
>> align more with the industry levels. Being that we are an MSP the industry
>> Level 1, 2 etc. don't clearly apply or match the skills required 100%
>>
>> I'm keen to see what others classify their Levels as and what the
>> requirements of meeting these levels are.
>>
>> Currently we run a Level 1 & Level 2 model which match the industry Level
>> 2 & 3 somewhat so demonstrating these to potential employees is confusing
>> and frustrating at times.
>>
>> Reference:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_support#Multi-tiered_technical_support
>>
>> Do many agree with these levels?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Thomas Cuthbert <tcuthbert90 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ​
>>>> I’ve almost concluded that if you want a career in this space, at the
>>>> moment, it’ll be up to you to find a niche position that suits your skill
>>>> set.
>>>
>>>  ​
>>> Or relocate to where companies require talent over COTS tools. Which as
>>> has been the theme to my career progression over the last 3 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Thomas Cuthbert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Tim Raphael <raphael.timothy at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Exactly, DevOps is a different slant on the modern “infrastructure as
>>>> code” idea when compared to “NetOps”. Although a new and hardly used term,
>>>> NetOps is probably the best description of the specialised knowledge that
>>>> comes with networks and automating them. There are plenty of people talking
>>>> about NetOps but few job adverts asking for it.
>>>>
>>>> I’ve almost concluded that if you want a career in this space, at the
>>>> moment, it’ll be up to you to find a niche position that suits your skill
>>>> set.
>>>>
>>>> - Tim
>>>>
>>>> On 16 May 2016, at 9:34 AM, Will Dowling <will at autodeist.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Although this appears to have gone off on a tangent, to bring it back
>>>> to Cameron's original question: Where is the best place to get a consensus
>>>> on the state of the industry with regard to this particular skill set?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 from someone who considers himself someone with this skill set and
>>>> is confused by the market :(
>>>>
>>>> Unless you’re working with a big enough content provider (e.g.:
>>>> Googles’ “Network Systems Engineer” positions mentioned as AusNOG), people
>>>> are probably hiring this as “DevOps” with all the pain that comes along
>>>> with a buzzword title.
>>>>
>>>> NoOps is the latest one, though I haven’t seen any jobs in AU for this
>>>> yet - but is probably more targeted towards consumers of networks than
>>>> anyone on this list.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise (and more often than not) it sounds like personal connections
>>>> are still king for this space.
>>>>
>>>> Forget it if you’re looking to be in the architecture/design/leadership
>>>> side of this (and even more if you’re based in WA).
>>>>
>>>> Happy to be proven wrong :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will Dowling
>>>>
>>>> E: will at autodeist.com
>>>>
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