[AusNOG] census issues tonight

[Glenn Hocking]

Stored data is never safe. If Australian Border Security can be infiltrated by criminal gangs as 
recently disclosed in the media even with their stringent personnel checks then I would presume IT 
companies are easy to infiltrate and have someone walk out with a USB disks with supposedly 
'private' data on it. Were any of the IT personnel involved in the census including 
hardware/network/software vendors checked?

Years ago I had a flatmate that did a lot of university courses. Turns out he was sending copies of 
all the course papers and exams etc back to his home country..... He was a very intelligent and nice 
guy. Who would have thought...

Cheers

Glenn Hocking | Managing Director
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On 10/08/2016 10:44 AM, Robert Hudson wrote:
> Why is it safe to say that the stored data is OK? What evidence do we have to support that belief?
>
>
> On 10 Aug 2016 9:52 AM, "Michael Keating" <mkeating44 at gmail.com <mailto:mkeating44 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I think the point being made, was that the distrust of the Census has been increased with the
>     failure of the website, and the mainstream media taking the 'hacking' angle. It's safe to say
>     the stored data is ok, but there are millions more submissions to go. If people think it was
>     'hacked', they won't give a truthful answer for fear of their information being stolen (which we
>     know, it won't). More of a general observation than a technical observation (which I do agree with).
>
>     On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org <mailto:marka at isc.org>> wrote:
>
>
>         In message <c7617127-36a9-f5dc-894e-727a6700e016 at spectrum.com.au
>         <mailto:c7617127-36a9-f5dc-894e-727a6700e016 at spectrum.com.au>>, Matt Perkins writes:
>         > If you ask me the dataset is now terminally compromised. This is
>         > essentially market research and peoples ability to answer that sort of
>         > stuff truthfully goes to how much the person doing the servery is
>         > trusted. With the ABS spouting stuff like Attack from overseas, people
>         > are very unlikely to tell the truth on this census.
>         >
>         > Fellas you blew it.  Cancel the census reschedule for next year and send
>         > out paper form's Your collective uselessness just put us back 5 years.
>         >
>         > Matt
>
>         A DoS attack does not make the dataset compromised.
>
>         Having too small key space does.  1/100000 is not a big space for
>         computers to search through.  It's only ~20 bits of security.  A
>         extra 4 digits would have raised it to ~30 bits.  A extra 8 digits
>         would have raised it to ~43 bits.  Entering 5 x 4 digit sequences
>         is not hard.  We do 4 x 4 + 3 for every visa / mastercard transaction
>         we do online today.
>
>         Mark
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