[AusNOG] Consultation on s313(3) use

[Paul Wallace]

I agree completely with this!






From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Peter Tiggerdine
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 7:56 PM
To: Mark Newton
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Consultation on s313(3) use

This is probably drifting into the off-topic but ideology trumps money as does religion.

All the money in the world wouldn't persuade the government to make good decision because they believe that national security is more important and civil liberties and right to privacy. So irrespective of the education and lobbying you're going to struggle to change their belief.

The government knows that while it can blindside the public though miss-education, they can do anything. Hence my original point.

Yes you are right on the mark *pun intended* that the carriers and associated organisations need to apply more pressure but going up against ideology is a waste of time.



Regards,

Peter Tiggerdine

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On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org<mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org>> wrote:
On Apr 29, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com<mailto:ptiggerdine at gmail.com>> wrote:

> education is the key. The problem with the government is that it doesn't want to be educated because of ideology.
>
> Uneducatable (probably made up word, but you get the drift) people are the true definition of stupid. And lets face it government is where all these types seem to congregate the most.

Money wins against education hands-down.

The belief that politicians would do the right thing, if only they knew enough about the subject matter to make well-reasoned decisions, is absurd, completely unsupported by empirical evidence.

There are very well-organized and well-funded organizations lobbying in favor of control of the internet. The Internet community fails time and time again because it has not learned enough lessons from previous defeats to become well-organized and well-funded enough to make its counter-case effectively.

The government knows it can marginalize and destroy internet industry participants with no blowback whatsoever. As long as that remains true, ISPs and users will continue to be outmaneuvered.

   - mark



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