[AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"

[Paul Brooks]

If its indoor installation, then its not low-impact facilities (except the antenna on
the roof) - low-impact facilities is all about outdoor things.

If its indoor, MDU basement, risers, etc, then the Comms Alliance document covers
indoor subscriber connections, including powers and immunities...
G571 Building Access Operations and Installation
(http://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/2328/G571_2002.pdf)

There are also a pile of Standards Australia documents regarding standards for
in-building cabling in MDU and industrial buildings, residential buildings etc - these
are what the requirement to "act in accordance with good engineering practice" and
"comply with recognised industry standards" would refer to.




On 12/04/2016 11:38 AM, Dylan Chidgey wrote:
> Hi David
>
> This document released by the TIO should help you as ultimately they may be the ones standing in the way of a LAAN proceeding or not.
>
> https://www.tio.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/168227/Guidelines-on-the-installation-and-maintenance-of-low-impact-facilities-APRIL-2015.pdf
>
> Kind regards
>
> Dylan.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Carter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 10:17 AM
> To: David Hughes <david at hughes.com.au>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net (AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net) <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"
>
> Under Schedule 4 if you have a commercial agreement this has precedence. I will have to pull out the act if you want the ref?
>
>
>
> Stephen Carter
> Working Technology
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hughes [mailto:david at hughes.com.au] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 10:14 AM
> To: Stephen Carter <Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net (AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net) <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"
>
>
> Hi
>
> True.  At this stage I'm trying to get a good understanding of the "Powers" that are provider for by the act.  Based on my original post, I'm trying to determine which of the 4 situations is covered by the act as a low-impact facility and which would require an agreement with the building owner.  Clearly option 1 is covered, but that looks like it's about it.  Clarification from anyone who utilises those provisions of the act would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> David
> ...
>
> On 12/04/2016, at 10:01 AM, Stephen Carter <Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com> wrote:
>
>> Guess, it depends if you want to enforce carrier "Powers" or enter commercial terms. Commercial agreements have preference and we used to prefer amical commercial terms than enforce rights.
>>
>> I guess it all depends on what exact problem you are looking to solve?
>>
>>
>> Stephen Carter
>> Working Technology
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Hughes [mailto:david at hughes.com.au]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 9:52 AM
>> To: Stephen Carter <Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com>
>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net (AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net) 
>> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've read through that previously and unless I'm misreading it there's basically no mention of co-location of any gear other than that required to terminate the incoming circuit.     "Parts 1, 5, 6 or item 3 from Part 4" relates to radio kit and termination of fibre (and unrelated stuff like pay phones).   From my interpretation (which clearly is lacking) there's no mention of any other gear that may be required to provision the end customer service.
>>
>> I'm clearly missing something here.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
>> ...
>>
>>
>> On 12/04/2016, at 9:43 AM, Stephen Carter <Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> This is pretty specific
>>>
>>> https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2012C00177
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen Carter
>>> Working Technology
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of 
>>> James McMillan
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 9:33 AM
>>> To: Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au>; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"
>>>
>>> Depends on if it's a government agency serving the notice.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of 
>>> Joseph Goldman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 9:27 AM
>>> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"
>>>
>>> "Multi-rack server room with redundant power, cooling and fire suppression, roof mounted genset and limited keycard+biometric access with security patrolling 24h"
>>>
>>> Surely we could get away with that! :D
>>>
>>> On 12/04/16 09:20, David Hughes wrote:
>>>> Morning all,
>>>>
>>>> The telco act is a bit fuzzy on the definition of a low-impact 
>>>> facility so I'd appreciate a definition from real-world experience.
>>>> Is a low-impact installation limited to something like :-
>>>>
>>>> 1. A small antennae on roof space of a highrise building.
>>>> 2. An antennae plus associated riser cabling 3. An antennae plus 
>>>> associated riser cabling plus kit in basement 4. An antennae plus 
>>>> associated riser cabling plus kit in basement and kit on each floor
>>>>
>>>> At what stage above does the definition of "low impact" max out and the building owner has the right to say no?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>> ...
>>>>
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