[AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"

Tue Apr 12 11:26:04 EST 2016

If by "charge" you for "power then that's not perfectly accurate.

You do need to compensate them to a greater or lesser degree (see NBN Co v Pipe Networks in the Federal Court of Australia).

-P

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of paul+ausnog at oxygennetworks.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 10:27 AM
To: 'David Hughes'; 'Stephen Carter'
Cc: '(AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net)'
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"

Hi David, we have had to push on a couple of occasions when doing low impact installs, sometimes strata can be painful, however they can't stop you from delivering a service to a customer unless they have some pretty damn good reasons, and the law is on the carriers side and the TIO are pretty good about it too.

My take on it is that low impact is basically whatever you need within reason to deliver a service to a client.
You need to keep things as simple as possible, keep them as compact as possible, and with antennas as low as possible.

For our installs we install in the MDF room, we install a 6RU rack typically, some installs are fibre to there, some are wireless backhaul.

So for us a low impact install would often consist of a 6RU rack, some power from house power, cabling to Main Distribution Frame, some CAT6 to the roof and a compact antenna mount with an antenna on it, smallest size possible.

As Stephen said, being nice and having a simple agreement is by far the best way to approach the situation.
We have only had one major problem where the strata group contacted the TIO and complained about our approach, but we did everything correctly and tried to be amicable and the TIO ended up telling them they couldn't do anything and we had the right to install the gear, which we did, then they charged us for power LOL, nothing we could do about that though as they can actually charge you for that.
We later found out that there was a company in that building who didn't like the competition and they were the ones trying to stop us coming in there.

At the end of the day approach the building, talk to them, serve them your notice of intention to install, provide thorough details on what you propose to install, where, and when and give them a chance to come back to you, it's definitely the easiest way.

Regards
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of David Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 10:13 AM
To: Stephen Carter
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net (AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net)
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"

Hi

True.  At this stage I'm trying to get a good understanding of the "Powers" that are provider for by the act.  Based on my original post, I'm trying to determine which of the 4 situations is covered by the act as a low-impact facility and which would require an agreement with the building owner.  Clearly option 1 is covered, but that looks like it's about it.  Clarification from anyone who utilises those provisions of the act would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

David
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On 12/04/2016, at 10:01 AM, Stephen Carter <Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com> wrote:

> Guess, it depends if you want to enforce carrier "Powers" or enter commercial terms. Commercial agreements have preference and we used to prefer amical commercial terms than enforce rights.
> 
> I guess it all depends on what exact problem you are looking to solve?
> 
> 
> Stephen Carter
> Working Technology
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hughes [mailto:david at hughes.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 9:52 AM
> To: Stephen Carter <Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net (AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net) 
> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I've read through that previously and unless I'm misreading it there's basically no mention of co-location of any gear other than that required to terminate the incoming circuit.     "Parts 1, 5, 6 or item 3 from Part 4" relates to radio kit and termination of fibre (and unrelated stuff like pay phones).   From my interpretation (which clearly is lacking) there's no mention of any other gear that may be required to provision the end customer service.
> 
> I'm clearly missing something here.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
> ...
> 
> 
> On 12/04/2016, at 9:43 AM, Stephen Carter <Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> This is pretty specific
>> 
>> https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2012C00177
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stephen Carter
>> Working Technology
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of 
>> James McMillan
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 9:33 AM
>> To: Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au>; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"
>> 
>> Depends on if it's a government agency serving the notice.
>> 
>> James
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of 
>> Joseph Goldman
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2016 9:27 AM
>> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Practical definition of "low impact"
>> 
>> "Multi-rack server room with redundant power, cooling and fire suppression, roof mounted genset and limited keycard+biometric access with security patrolling 24h"
>> 
>> Surely we could get away with that! :D
>> 
>> On 12/04/16 09:20, David Hughes wrote:
>>> Morning all,
>>> 
>>> The telco act is a bit fuzzy on the definition of a low-impact 
>>> facility so I'd appreciate a definition from real-world experience.
>>> Is a low-impact installation limited to something like :-
>>> 
>>> 1. A small antennae on roof space of a highrise building.
>>> 2. An antennae plus associated riser cabling 3. An antennae plus 
>>> associated riser cabling plus kit in basement 4. An antennae plus 
>>> associated riser cabling plus kit in basement and kit on each floor
>>> 
>>> At what stage above does the definition of "low impact" max out and the building owner has the right to say no?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> David
>>> ...
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