[AusNOG] iiNET Network Engineer

Wed Sep 2 12:30:39 EST 2015

On 2 September 2015 at 09:53, Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com> wrote:
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> It's created another Telstra accept with a much more hostile player. I don't see how that's good for our industry. We bullied the goverment to split TW away from retail (unsuccessfully) and yet we're okay with David Teoh creating the same between M&A of pipe & iinet?
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> What's next, TPG buys NextDC and we loose quality datacenters. Evidence shows that TPG do nothing more than crush innovation and customer service to squeeze ever last penny. Pipe is a classic example. Sadly it took the same bloke that led pipe to bring interconnect into the 21st Century.
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> Better yet, David Teoh buys Origin Energy since it seems selling power is the new frontier for ISP's.
>

So if you think about it, that isn't all that surprising. Internet
bandwidth is both a commodity and utility, and very similar to gas,
water, electricity and voice networks. The resource is delivered over
networks of various types, and it is only at the destination where the
choice as to what to use it for is made and made by the
end-user/customer (a voice network might seem to be a single
application network, however the variation is in the content or words
used during the voice call - business calls for various reasons,
personal calls for various reasons. Generally, the telephone network
wasn't aware of the purpose of the phone call you were making -
although there was a pricing difference between business and
residential calls, so that does create a level of distinction.)

What I think this means is that either the history or current
evolution of these other utility networks is worth comparing with the
evolution of Internet networks, to see if those events, patterns or
models might apply to Internet network evolution.

The NBN seems to be following what I understand is the historical
pattern of voice networks in the US. Originally there were lots of
small telephone networks. They eventually were merged together and by
government mandate operated by a monopoly non-government "for profit"
provider - AT&T. AT&T was then broken up in the 1980s to form the Baby
Bells that had to compete with each other. This sounds a lot like the
history of the NBN, including literally yesterday, articles saying
that the ACCC think NBN(co) should be prepared to be split up at a
later stage and to have each of the private Baby nbn(tm)s compete with
each other.

Regards,
Mark.

> Maybe Mark Newton is right. We have the IT/ISP landscape we deserve.
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> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:31 AM, John Lindsay <johnslindsay at mac.com> wrote:
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>> Would have been the saddest sideways slide into failure as the NBN and backhaul costs ate its margins to zero. TPG has a natural $10 per month cost advantage over iiNet and that's before the off-shore engineering, ops and customer service. Add the massive fibre network and submarine assets and TPG were always going to win.
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>> iiNet should have bought AAPT. They couldn't see the value but it's the cement that binds all the TPG value together. They are a price setter not a taker.
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>> John Lindsay
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>> On 2 Sep 2015, at 8:39 am, Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> along with Adam, Internode and westnet, ihug list goes on...
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>> Biggest blunder in Australian ISP history goes to... ACCC for allowing David Teoh to buy the iiNet Group.
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>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com> wrote:
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>>> I assume they would have all quit the minute the transaction from TPG went through :)
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>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:37 PM, ANSA SERVERS <info at ausnetservers.net.au> wrote:
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>>>> Hi Guys,
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>>>>
>>>> Is there any senior network engineers on the list for iinet in Victoria that can contact me via mmatters at ausnetservers.net.au as soon as possible in relation to routing of ip addresses.
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>>>> Regards
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>>>>
>>>> Matt
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