[AusNOG] Data retention

[Geordie Guy]

Cyber domain eh?

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think it's best as an industry we recognise the cyber domain has no
> special right to exemption from the rule of law. A certain amount of
> surveillance by the security services is in everyone's interests. It would
> be counter productive to obstruct reasonable efforts of law enforcement,
> and would call into question who needs these services impervious to
> scrutiny.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On 12 October 2015 at 16:06, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What's your end goal? If it is to avoid the new datarention going into
>> effect tomorrow, using a VPN isnt going to change what is being recorded on
>> you. Dataretention is capturing Email headers on ISP (australian) email
>> addresses, which a VPN wont change, and the IP assigned to your session
>> when you connect (either via ADSL, NBN, 3/4G etc), which again, a VPN wont
>> change.
>>
>> VPN also introduces a lot of other issues such as latency and GEOIP
>> breakages that it reduces the end user experience of the internet, so for
>> most people, pumping all their data through an international VPN is going
>> to make using the internet unjoyful.
>>
>> Then there is the whole issue of complication, what % of australian users
>> have the technical ability to set up a VPN? I would put that in the single
>> digit percentage, and then what % of thoes will actually set up a VPN?
>> Again I would guess maybe 10% if you're lucky? So worst case maybe a 0.5%
>> increase in international traffic? That's not even factoring in how much
>> was international traffic to begin with which wouldnt increase
>> international usage anyway, just change how its coming in.
>>
>> --Damian
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <
>> Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I see a lot of privacy advocacy groups recommending using VPN out of
>>> australia. I wonder where can we see easily the change to from local
>>> traffic to international traffic.
>>>
>>> So I have friends who are thinking of just setting up a vpn to take all
>>> their traffic overseas including access to local sites, like smh commbank
>>> etc etc.
>>>
>>> My presumption we double up on Intl traffic outbound and then inbound !
>>>
>>> A
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