[AusNOG] NBNco: "Let's start competing with our customers!"

[Chris Gibbs]

Not stealth. Nbn Co has been very transparent with customers.

If you are a member of the pdf, you would see these updates and be able to
work with nbn on further development.

A while back they released a paper discussion 4(?) options for cvc charges
and authorised a price reduction to $17.50 immediately down from $20.

One of the options discussed was the scaled cvc charge, rewarding carriers
that favour a less congested business model.

I thought this approach was fair considering the turning on of tc2 and tc3
soon and ideally suited as business. It should also match nicely with
symmetrical services.

Personally I feel that the scaled model will not cater well for
residential. But I suppose carriers will be able to light up a separate cvc
for different pricing options.

I'm still of the opinion that 121 POIs make it extremely difficult for
small carriers to stay competitive and enter new markets. But given this
has been discussed at length,  I'll leave it at that.

Cheers

Chris
On 1 Oct 2015 10:27 pm, "Tony" <td_miles at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I noticed on the "Integrated Product Roadmap" released by NBN today the
> following item:
>
>
> Nov 2015
> PR105
> CVC Dimension-Based Pricing Consultation
> Introduction of CVC dimension pricing to provide eligible Customers with a
> tiered credit based upon the usage per CSA.
>
>
> That seems like a reduction in CVC by stealth. I'm trying to work out
> whether the "tiered credit" would be for low usage or high usage (ie. make
> it more affordable for the little guys or reward the big few) ?
>
>
> regards,
> Tony.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ausftth at mail.com" <ausftth at mail.com>
> To: Greg Anderson <ganderson at raywhite.com>
> Cc: "<ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2015, 20:54
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBNco: "Let's start competing with our customers!"
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 10:15 AM Greg Anderson wrote:
> > So you are basically saying that you are happy to pay the exact same
> amount
> > of money or more than likely even more money, so long as it doesn't show
> up
> > on your bill under two separate charges?  I find that perplexing.
>
> If you had been paying attention, you'd know that I espouse abolishing the
> CVC charge or at the very least drastically lowering it.
>
> There is not rational basis for the CVC charge. NBNco backhaul from the
> last mile to the POI is a fixed monthly cost. There is no consumable and no
> inherent scarcity. It costs the same to run the network at 10% or 90%
> utilization.
>
> As such the CVC charge should be a fixed monthly fee and included in the
> AVC charge. If need be the AVC charge can be adjusted, but only to the
> extent that it covers the fixed CVC charge. So yes, I'll take a higher AVC
> if we can do away with the CVC.
>
> The CVC charge is antithetical to the NBN goals of universal, fast and
> affordable broadband. The CVC is a hidden tax on internet services that
> acts to curb usage and degrade networks. The CVC makes it impossible to
> achieve scale efficiencies and destroys consumer surplus.
>
> The NBNco should be carpet bombing Australia with cheap bandwidth. CDNs
> and content providers should be able to drop 10G ports like candy at POIs.
> But instead we have this... mess.
>
>
> > I for one am glad that they are separate charges.  As a differentiation
> > factor, I want to be able to pay more or less for my internet connection
> to
> > obtain a connection with more or less contention depending on how much I
> am
> > willing to spend per month.  If this differentiation doesn't exists,
> > pricing will be almost the same regardless of who you acquire a service
> > through, and you wont be able to save money because you just browse the
> web
> > now and then vs pay more money because you are running a business and
> must
> > have access to the Internet that is consistent at all times because you
> > will bleed money otherwise.
>
> That's just wishful thinking.
>
> Firstly, end users are notoriously bad at gaging their internet usage.
>
> Secondly, consumers and SMEs only get to pick from what's on offer. All
> NBN connectivity is heavily contended at current retail price points, so
> it's mainly the luck of the draw that determines how well it works and
> when. End users have little to no recourse when faced with heavy
> congestion. All they can do is switch providers (if and when so able) and
> hope for the best.
>
>
> Jared
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