[AusNOG] IPv6

Fri Mar 27 11:04:11 EST 2015

I realised there was an opportunity for a nice 128 reference... but only
about 10 seconds after sending that :-(

After reading the hilarity of the previous posters statement, I was more
thinking "every particle of my being agrees with this statement right now"
rather than just macro level +1/"me too"

On 27 March 2015 at 09:51, Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> I'd have preferred
>
> +2^128
>
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>  *From:* Colin Stubbs <colin.stubbs at equatetechnologies.com.au>
> *To:* "AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, 27 March 2015, 10:47
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] IPv6
>
>
> +999,999,999,999,999,999.999
>
> On 27 March 2015 at 09:41, Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm afraid you are wrong. If you don't understand why, then you don't
> really understand the problem.
>
>
>
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>  *From:* Chris Hurley <chris at minopher.net.au>
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 March 2015, 23:13
> *Subject:* [AusNOG] IPv6
>
> I could be wrong (and I have been before ;-), but the biggest mistake in
> IP6 was not making it backward compatible with IP4. Hence the resistance to
> take it up.
>
> Yes there are some good technical agruements with substance as to why we
> should make the quantum leap. But they forget the human lag factor. I.e
> it's not broken don't fix,  It costs money, where's my return etc.
>
> That being said and the fact we have now "exhausted" IP4 addresses, what
> are the realistic options? Bare in mind consumers/companies only really
> care about "Do I have internet access". They neither know or care about the
> IP. They just want their porn, don't laugh. Given the number of outside
> hours clients trying to get support all to true.
>
> Personally I thought the NBN was the perfect vehicle to mandate IP6, but
> the powers that be said you can run what ever you like eg AppleTalk for all
> we care. Seriously you want 21st Century tech but prepared to run old
> technology.
>
> Mind you people have been talking about this issue for many years.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Hurley BE (Elec), MBA
> Director
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> From: Michael Biber <mbiber at ipv6forum.com.au>
> Organization: IPv6 Forum Australia
> Reply-To: <mbiber at ipv6forum.com.au>
> Date: Thursday, 26 March 2015 1:53 PM
> To: "'Beeson, Ayden'" <ABeeson at csu.edu.au>, <kris at cloudcentral.com.au>, "
> ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise
>
> Here’s a list of IPv6 Only web sites.
> http://ipv6.cybernode.com/list-of-ipv6-only-sites
> It’s only reachable via IPv6 though 8^)
>
> I was told there are Indian government web sites and gaming servers that
> are only reachable via v6 but I can’t verify that. Also quite a few dark
> sites I imagine.
> Most everything is dual stacked.
>
> Mike Biber
> IPv6now
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] *On Behalf Of *Beeson, Ayden
> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 March 2015 9:58 AM
> *To:* 'kris at cloudcentral.com.au'; 'ausnog at lists.ausnog.net'
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise
>
> (Disclaimer: Apologies, I’m going to be “that guy” and argue against that
> line. Don’t take this email as a flame, it’s more about correcting a
> misconception that seems to be quite prevalent and I understand there are a
> lot of factors that go into deploying / not deploying IPv6 now that I will
> not cover.)
>
> That statement is part of the problem IMHO and I’ve seen it multiple times
> on this list and elsewhere.
>
> IPv6 won’t go anywhere until the majority get it turned on. It has no
> direct technical relation to IPv4 other than being the replacement for it.
> Blaming a lack of IPv6 deployment progress on “IPv4 not being broken yet”
> is self-defeating, it’s the same as saying “my water pipes still work even
> though they have a few big cracks leaking, why should the council replace
> them until the water completely stops flowing?” or “nobody else bothers to
> put rubbish in a bin, so I won’t either, plus I invented this new thing to
> add onto my shoes to make me higher to keep out of all the litter on the
> ground, everybody else needs to buy some now too”
>
> Unfortunately CGNAT is now a requirement for a lot of companies, due in
> large part to a lack of progress on IPv6, but it doesn’t go both ways. But
> as has been said before, most users don’t understand or care how their
> internet connection works, just that it does, so the onus is on the ISP’s
> etc. to push these things along for the benefit of everybody. Again as has
> been said, there is very little commercial incentive to do this, but it’s
> really going to be minimal capex to implement with very little additional
> opex spending so it shouldn’t be as big a cost issue as it may seem, at
> least for basic connectivity for servers etc.
>
> Obviously we can’t argue “don’t do CGNAT” now, we are well past that, but
> I would say that anybody looking at or doing CGNAT should at least have an
> IPv6 deployment plan they are actively progressing, even if it’s slowly.
>
> The problem with IPv4 is that we can continue to do CGNAT theoretically
> indefinitely, though the logging required will continue to increase and the
> port ranges that are allowed for per user will continue to shrink until it
> becomes practically untenable. The issue is in the meantime we are stifling
> innovation and strangling available uses for the internet. In the next few
> years we will see a continued explosion of devices that will need IPv6 to
> be able to truly be used to their full potential, but a lot of those will
> just continue to not work or be underutilised until the network under them
> has the capacity to handle them gracefully.
>
> On the topic of IPv6 only hosts, I have heard there are ISP’s in China and
> Europe that are doing this but I have nothing concrete, anybody know if
> that’s fact or not / have a link? I suspect given I can’t find any info at
> all it’s not real, but I’d be interested to know…
>
> TL;DR – IPv6 only works when everybody does IPv6, do CGNAT if you have to,
> but make it clear to your management (or to yourself) that’s it’s not a
> long term strategy and make sure you have some sort of IPv6 plan being
> worked on for everybody’s sake.
>
> Thanks,
> Ayden Beeson
>
> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] *On Behalf Of *Kristoffer Sheather @
> CloudCentral
> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 March 2015 8:50 AM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise
>
> IPv6 won't go anywhere until IPv4 doesn't work anymore.  That day is not
> today despite the numerous arguments and flames I expect to receive
> subsequent to this message.
>
> Regards,
> Kristoffer Sheather
>
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> *From*: "Scott Weeks" <surfer at mauigateway.com>
> *Sent*: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:42 AM
> *To*: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject*: Re: [AusNOG] Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise
>
>
>
>
> > Reduce the amount of data to zero - put this energy into
> > deploying IPv6 instead of CG-NAT. You know you should.
> > You know you can.
>
>
> :: Oh boy, I am so sick of people harping on like this. I
> :: challenge you to run one single internet customer IPv6
> :: only (no translations) and see how long it lasts. Just
>
>
> Dual stack is not doable? I thought that's what he meant
> by deploy IPv6. Maybe I need more beer? Again? ;-)
>
> scott
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