[AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise

[Alex Samad - Yieldbroker]

Good timing !

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/03/25/222258/comcasts-incompetence-lack-of-broadband-may-force-developer-to-sell-home

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Scott Howard
Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2015 12:16 PM
To: Damian Guppy
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; kris at cloudcentral.com.au
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise

It is *exactly* what Comcast has done.

They have actively moved people from DOCSIS 2.0 to DOCSIS 3.0 modems (as required for IPv6) under the excuse of better performance (true in some cases, but not all).  They actually EOL'ed support for my DOCSIS 2 modem on the grounds that it would not provide maximum performance after some recent network upgrades, despite the fact that the plan I was on was well within what DOCSIS 2.0 provides.

Their DOCSIS 3.0 modems have IPv6 enabled by default, as does basically all of their cable network.  I don't have one of their routers, but my understanding is that they are gradually rolling out upgrades to those that have IPv6 enabled by default too.

I am a beta tester for one of the major CPE vendors, and have been told by one of their engineers that Comcast is requesting all future cable modem/routers from them have IPv6 enabled by default, and that's definitely the case for the modem/router I'm currently testing.

All of this without 99.99% of their customers even knowing what IPv6 is, let alone knowing that it's enabled on their network.

Of course, nobody is suggesting they will be turning off IPv4 anytime soon, but if/when they do need to implement CGN you can guarantee they are going to need a LOT less hardware to implement it than they would have if they were not so far ahead of the curve on IPv6.

  Scott





On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com<mailto:the.damo at gmail.com>> wrote:
That's pretty much what Comcast has done as I understand it.

--Damian

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Michael Gehrmann <mgehrmann at macquarietelecom.com<mailto:mgehrmann at macquarietelecom.com>> wrote:
The fun thing is that most consumers/customers won’t know thus won’t demand it.

I say deploy IPv6 by stealth and set every new CPE to be dual stack. All OS now support IPv6 by default. It really needs to be the ISP that leads this.

Michael Gehrmann
Hosting Support Specialist – Networks
Macquarie Telecom

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral
Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2015 10:23 AM
To: Damien Gardner Jnr; Mark Andrews
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>; Kristoffer Sheather
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] SPAM-MED: Re: Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise

If the customers needed it then the ISP's would be doing it.

When it is needed every ISP under the sun that wants customers will be doing it.

Thats the commercial and actual reality.


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From: "Damien Gardner Jnr" <rendrag at rendrag.net<mailto:rendrag at rendrag.net>>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:15 AM
To: "Mark Andrews" <marka at isc.org<mailto:marka at isc.org>>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>, "Kristoffer Sheather" <kris at cloudcentral.com.au<mailto:kris at cloudcentral.com.au>>
Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [AusNOG] Data Retention and CGNAT - educational exercise

It's that 'for every customer that has a IPv6 capable CPE device' that's the problem.  How many Aussie ISP's are actually doing V6 for customers?  I have (almost) every service on my network dual-stacked (one shared-hosting server is yet to be done), and 2% of my total bandwidth volume is v6.  Would be curious to hear what others are seeing :)

Cheers,

DG

On 26 March 2015 at 10:11, Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org<mailto:marka at isc.org>> wrote:

In message <41e778700a994314857ad4504f252419 at cloudcentral.com.au<mailto:41e778700a994314857ad4504f252419 at cloudcentral.com.au>>, "Kristoffer Sheather @ C
loudCentral" writes:
>
> IPv6 won't go anywhere until IPv4 doesn't work anymore.  That day is not
> today despite the numerous arguments and flames I expect to receive
> subsequent to this message.
>
>   Regards,
> Kristoffer Sheather

If you turn on IPv6 +50% of your traffic will shift to IPv6 immediately
for every customer that has a IPv6 capable CPE device.  This is
*not* IPv6 going nowhere.

The content providers are going IPv6-only internally translating
IPv4 to IPv6.

If you ship CPE router make sure they are IPv6 capable.

If you do not ship CPE routers provide a list of IPv6 capable routers
you are happy with.  IPv6 routers can be got for < $100 AUD.

--
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
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