[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

[Kai]

I'll check the senate video sessions on ParlInfo and see if I can find the correct one where this legislation is debated...
Dunno if I'll get to that tonight, but I'll try.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Beeson Ayden" 
To:"Geordie Guy" 
Cc:"Kai" , "ausnog" 
Sent:Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:24:36 +1100
Subject:Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

 As far as I understand it we still have the Senate to go but yes the
house passed it as per liberal party instructions.

 Hopefully the Senate puts up a better fight.

 Cheers,
 Ayden
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occurred)

 On 19 Mar 2015, at 2:21 pm, Geordie Guy  wrote:

 Here's the press gallery vice president complete with a photo of the
three politicians that voted against it standing on one side of the
house.

 https://twitter.com/mearesy/status/578390507660845057/photo/1

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Kai  wrote:
 Reliable reference(s) please?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Geordie Guy"
 To:"Bob Woolley"
 Cc:"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net"
 Sent:Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:09:42 +1100
 Subject:Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

 Fight's over. Bill just passed. EMC and NetApp salespeople will meet
 you all in your respective lobbies this afternoon.
 G

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Bob Woolley wrote:
 Ayden,
 +1 to this, a very good point. I think some providers have already
 heard this calling, iiNet / Internode are putting data out to their
 consumers on the topic.
 - Bob W
 On 19 March 2015 at 13:01, Beeson, Ayden wrote:
 Also you guys have the greatest resource in this fight, your users.

 Has anybody passed on any communication to your users regarding the
 potential privacy impact or cost increases?

 It seems to me the large impact this will have would warrant a
 message to users, even if it's a note on your homepage, a note on the
 monthly invoice etc to let them know what's happening.

 I've seen the biker association laws in NSW and QLD managing to sell
 themselves as a violation of freedom to all people, if they can
manage
 that surely we could as well given the privacy implications.

 Last time I looked there were concerns this data could be accessed
 easily for all kinds of non law enforcement uses by courts etc (even
 in divorce cases and the like), that's the sort of stuff that users
 need to be aware of.

 If you educate them, they can fight this battle for / with you.

 Cheers,
 Ayden
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 occurred)

 On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm, Beeson, Ayden wrote:

 I doubt we have seen everything they have done, but if they have
 truly done nothing now then it can't get worse by you being members,
 you can't get worse than 0.

 I don't think they would be attaching your name onto anything you
 didn't agree with...

 Failing that, why don't you all form a coalition of small providers
 and act as one medium / large member?

 Only thing I know for sure is that complaining here isn't stopping
 the government, all the very valid discussions here need to get out
of
 this group to have any serious impact.

 As evidenced by that house of reps image earlier, they don't care,
 so it's time to start hammering senators as a unified group, as it's
 not going to stop otherwise and once it's in it'll be really hard to
 change anything.

 Cheers,
 Ayden
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 have occurred)

 On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom Berryman wrote:

 I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove
 that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here
 to solve that.

 Really? They have done nothing to oppose it as of now - you think
 a few "low tier" new members can sway their current position?
 In a more likely outcome, you'd provide more mass to their
 existing position.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [5]] On
 Behalf Of Eric Pinkerton
 Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:30 PM
 To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan
 Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net [6]
 Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

 So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller guys
 joining the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd be best
served
 by raising that with them and getting a tier / tiers implemented that
 suit your smaller ISP status, even if it's at a different member
 level, at least you'd be "at the table"

 The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they have a
 single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be better served
 trying to unify your voices rather than looking at alternative
 arrangements and fragmenting.

 I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove
 that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here
 to solve that.