[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
Geordie Guy
elomis at gmail.com
Thu Mar 19 14:27:56 EST 2015
...
Hopefully the senate puts up a better fight?
Having seen 147 of 150 people in a house of parliament vote for something,
you're hoping that the 76 people in the other house will do something
different, when 58 of come from the parties in the lower house that just
voted it up.
Ok.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:
> As far as I understand it we still have the Senate to go but yes the house
> passed it as per liberal party instructions.
>
> Hopefully the Senate puts up a better fight.
>
> Cheers,
> Ayden
> (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have
> occurred)
>
> On 19 Mar 2015, at 2:21 pm, Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com<mailto:
> elomis at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Here's the press gallery vice president complete with a photo of the three
> politicians that voted against it standing on one side of the house.
>
> https://twitter.com/mearesy/status/578390507660845057/photo/1
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Kai <vk6ksj at westnet.com.au<mailto:
> vk6ksj at westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> Reliable reference(s) please?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geordie Guy"
> To:"Bob Woolley"
> Cc:"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>"
> Sent:Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:09:42 +1100
> Subject:Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
>
> Fight's over. Bill just passed. EMC and NetApp salespeople will meet
> you all in your respective lobbies this afternoon.
> G
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Bob Woolley wrote:
> Ayden,
> +1 to this, a very good point. I think some providers have already
> heard this calling, iiNet / Internode are putting data out to their
> consumers on the topic.
> - Bob W
> On 19 March 2015 at 13:01, Beeson, Ayden wrote:
> Also you guys have the greatest resource in this fight, your users.
>
> Has anybody passed on any communication to your users regarding the
> potential privacy impact or cost increases?
>
> It seems to me the large impact this will have would warrant a
> message to users, even if it's a note on your homepage, a note on the
> monthly invoice etc to let them know what's happening.
>
> I've seen the biker association laws in NSW and QLD managing to sell
> themselves as a violation of freedom to all people, if they can manage
> that surely we could as well given the privacy implications.
>
> Last time I looked there were concerns this data could be accessed
> easily for all kinds of non law enforcement uses by courts etc (even
> in divorce cases and the like), that's the sort of stuff that users
> need to be aware of.
>
> If you educate them, they can fight this battle for / with you.
>
> Cheers,
> Ayden
> (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may have
> occurred)
>
> > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm, Beeson, Ayden wrote:
> >
> > I doubt we have seen everything they have done, but if they have
> truly done nothing now then it can't get worse by you being members,
> you can't get worse than 0.
> >
> > I don't think they would be attaching your name onto anything you
> didn't agree with...
> >
> > Failing that, why don't you all form a coalition of small providers
> and act as one medium / large member?
> >
> > Only thing I know for sure is that complaining here isn't stopping
> the government, all the very valid discussions here need to get out of
> this group to have any serious impact.
> >
> > As evidenced by that house of reps image earlier, they don't care,
> so it's time to start hammering senators as a unified group, as it's
> not going to stop otherwise and once it's in it'll be really hard to
> change anything.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ayden
> > (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos may
> have occurred)
> >
> > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom Berryman wrote:
> >
> >>>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence
> to prove
> that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here
> to solve that.
> >>
> >> Really? They have done nothing to oppose it as of now - you think
> a few "low tier" new members can sway their current position?
> >> In a more likely outcome, you'd provide more mass to their
> existing position.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:
> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> [5]] On
> Behalf Of Eric Pinkerton
> >> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:30 PM
> >> To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan
> >> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> [6]
> >> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
> >>
> >>
> >>> So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller
> guys
> joining the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd be best served
> by raising that with them and getting a tier / tiers implemented that
> suit your smaller ISP status, even if it's at a different member
> level, at least you'd be "at the table"
> >>
> >>> The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they
> have a
> single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be better served
> trying to unify your voices rather than looking at alternative
> arrangements and fragmenting.
> >>
> >> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to prove
> that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical choice here
> to solve that.
> >>
> >>
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