[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

Mon Mar 16 12:25:44 EST 2015

In contrast to the below, with respect, I personally think Paul's efforts are positive.

-P

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Eric Pinkerton
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 11:18 AM
To: Paul Brooks; Robert Hudson
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

Paul,

One of the criticisms levelled at the Comms Alliance is that they (or perhaps the Gov't spin) seems to claim it is representative of the industry as a whole.

Colour my cynical but, I can't help but feel that using this list and giving CEO's roughly ½ a day to engage,  affords the Coms Alliance the ability to state that for the record they have remedied this and have now consulted the industry at large.

I will leave it up to the CEO's et al on this list to determine whether this opportunity really feels like a fair dinkum effort to engage them.

Personally, I find this entire process to be a red herring because it is not the technicalities of collection that I find problematic, but rather the opaque and broken process that governs access to this data which, has never even on the table for discussion.

So we busy ourselves making bullets, and they might let us know who they are going to sell them to sometime next year.....perhaps.

E
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Paul Brooks
Sent: 16 March 2015 10:40
To: Robert Hudson
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

On 16/03/2015 10:54 AM, Robert Hudson wrote:
Does this mean that the Comms Alliance is giving up and accepting that the metadata retention legislation WILL be passed, and that you're just now trying to minimise damage to yourselves?

I don't speak for Comms Alliance, I'm just helping stakeholders work together. This list has complained loudly that this subsection of the community wasn't being consulted - well, now's your chance to contribute. I'm just a matchmaker. If you want to know Comms Alliance's motivations Robert - feel free to call John and ask him.

Personally, I like to cover all bases. There are three possible outcomes for the metadata retention legislation - it will be passed, it will be delayed for further changes, it will be blocked.
If its blocked, then the letter does no harm.
It its delayed, the letter and combined weight of the industry helps make sure that the costs issue - how much, and how it can be distributed - is part of the post-match debate.
If its passed, the letter.........ditto.

So preparing and signing the letter doesn't mean anyone is going to 'give up' trying to stop the legislation. But I dont speak for the combined membership of Comms Alliance.

Paul.

On 16 March 2015 at 10:47, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au<mailto:pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>> wrote:
Colleagues all - Comms Alliance is preparing a letter to be sent to George Brandis and Malcolm Turnbull, seeking certainty on the arrangements and amount the Government will contribute to the communications industry to implement the new data retention requirements - to be jointly signed by CEOs of carriers and carriage service providers.
So far the CEOs of most of the largest service providers have  agreed to sign.

I asked John - and he agreed  - to open this up to ISPs that are not members of Comms Alliance.

If you are the CEO of an ISP/carrier/CSP please email me and I will send you the draft letter and list of CEOs currently agreed to sign, and you can then decide if you are happy with the wording and would like to add your name to the list - or not, no obligation. (I'd post it, but there are a lot of non-ISP people on the list, and while the letter is draft it should be kept within the industry until its finalised).

If your CEO is not on this list, please ask them to email me or call me on 0414 366 605.

They'd like to finalise it by this afternoon, so please respond to me quickly so I can get you the draft.

cheers,
    Paul..

On 15/03/2015 10:04 AM, John Stanton wrote:

Hi Paul

Here's the current draft of the letter and an indication of some of the signatories on board - do you want to post on AusNog on behalf of CA and see if anyone want to join? Time is tight though - need to finalise tomorrow afternoon

Regards
John Stanton
CEO | Communications Alliance Ltd | Level 12/75 Miller St | North Sydney NSW 2060
P: 02 9959 9130   M: 0434 318 777 | stanton at commsalliance.com.au<mailto:stanton at commsalliance.com.au> | www.commsalliance.com.au<http://www.commsalliance.com.au/>

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