[AusNOG] "ISPs agree to graduated warnings for pirates"

[Alex Samad - Yieldbroker]

How similar is this to the old issue with recording tv on to VHS/BETA wasn't that illegal for so long. The government ruled in the people favour.

And yes its slightly different, one is time shift and the other is about price & availability. But similar in the people/community vs big business.

I still don't understand DVD region codes arg..

A

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Rod Veith
Sent: Monday, 23 February 2015 1:48 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] "ISPs agree to graduated warnings for pirates"

I agree, the pollies are creating this mess, let them deal with the mess. In the meantime I will continue to oppose their proposals if it changes the status quo.

I may not have much say, but I will say it. Letting them game the system by using a domesticated Communications Alliance is wrong and they should be called out for it. The government knows I run an ISP business but they have not approached me for my views or asked for how their proposal will affect my business.

If any journalists wish to contact me off list I'd welcome the opportunity to put forward my views on how Hollywood is planning to:


1.       Monitor the internet for Australians downloading movies and force Australian ISPs to send them notices.

2.       Charge Australians $25 every time the Australian ISP customer disputes a notice they receive from their ISP.

3.       Put small Australian ISPs out of business because they are too greedy, lazy and/or incompetent to develop a good sound business model in today's technological world or even copy an existing successful model (Netflix? Stan?).

Maybe a relative staying overnight used your internet connection and you now find yourself on someone's list as a copyright thief. Want to dispute this, no problem, send us some money and we'll look into it. Don't call us, we'll contact you.

Rod

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton
Sent: Monday, 23 February 2015 12:23 PM
To: Paul Brooks
Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] "ISPs agree to graduated warnings for pirates"


On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au<mailto:pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>> wrote:

The group that put this together had a deadline to put out a draft code that both sides could at least live with - if they don't meet the deadline with a draft that the service providers AND the content industry can live with, then the Government was going to 'create' one themselves and impose it whether you liked it or not - and most people figured that would be worse. They still might.

Nope, that'd be much better.

Make the government take some gooddamn responsibility for the inevitable public backlash. Make it their mess, beginning to end, enacted in a democratic forum where voters can make submissions and have a say, and the whole process can get watered down in the Senate. Make it so that when ISPs screw-over customers, customers are in no doubt whatsoever that they're being screwed over due to government policy, and they can scream blue murder at their MPs and get the law changed.

By agreeing to turn it into an industry issue, Comms Alliance has given the government plausible deniability, and usurped the democratic process by turning it into a cosy negotiated arrangement behind closed doors, where the content owners get what they want, and the service providers get them to agree to be nice, and we the public get literally no say in it whatsoever.  And when service providers screw over customers, customers will quite rightly direct their ire at their ISPs.

Best possible outcome for the Government and the rightsholders: Free kicks for everybody! ISP industry rolls over again, and will subsequently wonder why they never have any political influence over anything, and keep getting treated with contemptuous disregard by both sides of politics because they are literally the easiest industry in the entire economy to house-train.

  - mark


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20150223/ce6f3277/attachment.html>