[AusNOG] Copyright Negotiations with ISPs

[Ben Cooper]

What if we pulled out/refused to join last year when the publicly said that
*all* Australian ISP's supported metadata collection when, some of us very
much don't.

They need to word their releases better "our members" agree not "australian
isp's".

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>
wrote:

> On 16/02/2015 11:20 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> > One thing I don't like is that you even have to ask them what the
> membership fees
> > are... they don't have it on their website.
> >
> > My question is:  Are they in these negotiations on behalf of the
> industry or just
> > their membership?
> >
> > If it is the industry - which it seems it is, unless what they agree is
> only for
> > their members, then they should be talking to the entire industry about
> what they
> > are negotiating.
>
> The outcome of these copyright working group is intended to be a Code.
> Once ratified
> it will apply to everybody. Before it is ratified and 'made' a mandatory
> Code by ACMA
> it will go through two separate public comment periods - once by Comms
> Alliance before
> being submitted to ACMA, a second by ACMA - held over several months.
>
> Comms Alliance has been around for a very long time - its not their
> responsibility to
> go chasing views from organisations that have chosen over the years not to
> become
> members and don't show up. Heck, they don't even require membership to
> participate and
> contribute in working committees, they've certainly had people from
> non-members
> contributing on working groups I've been part of.
> Remember they also took over the reigns of the Internet Industry
> Association -
> remember that, the industry representative body for ISPs that ISPs allowed
> to go bust
> and fold?
> Don't anyone complain you aren't being represented, if you haven't
> contributed.
>
> The output from working groups that lead to industry codes and standards
> are always up
> for public comment for a month or two after the working group has put the
> draft
> together - and anyone, member or not, can review and raise issues then.
> Even if you
> can't be bothered attending and contributing to working groups, the public
> comment
> period is there. Of course, its much easier to steer the outcome when you
> are part of
> the working group from the beginning rather than waiting for everyone else
> to do the work.
>
> >
> > Maybe it is time for 'The Small to Medium ISP Association' or
> something... represent
> > the unrepresented.... but then again, would anyway pay for it.
> That was the IIA. History suggests not. You still have the issue of how to
> handle
> things when the person/organisation you choose to represent your views has
> a different
> collective view to you, no matter who you think might do it.
>
> Paul.
> (speaking as someone who personally has contributed to several CA working
> groups each
> year, pro bono,  as a means of giving back to the industry and keeping
> across whats
> going on. And on occasion, being supported to represent an organisation.)
>
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