[AusNOG] George Brandis - Be Warned

[Skeeve Stevens]

+100

The biggest problem about a most of what is happening at the moment is that
a lot of it is quite technical, detailed or legal in nature and John Q
Public really has no idea why it is important, just like when we debate the
merits of the different NBN technologies.

Without John Q Public clearly understanding and joining the voice, our
numbers to make a difference are really low...  and unfortunately numbers,
a loud message, especially from those with political weight is the only
thing that politicians hear.

What the Ausnog community needs to do is have a better voice, or at least
support those organisations that do, from ISOC-AU, AIIA, Communications
Alliance, etc... perhaps helping them establish a Service Provider
representative resource - or something.

I do feel that there are a lot of operators and only a couple of them seem
to have a voice - or make the effort to have a voice.  But it is issues
like this... when things like this happen, that we need to band together,
talk to our customers, get support, etc... but unless someone spearheads it
and we as a community get off our ass, then we're going to be dealing with
more and more things like this happen to us and it is only going to get
worse.

...Skeeve

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On 28 September 2014 15:06, Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is only valid if you accept that the operation of a network is
> entirely divorced from the regulatory frameworks that govern operating
> networks.  I don't.  Neither do many others.  Neither EFA nor ISOC have
> more than a peripheral interest in the rights of network operators to
> advocate for their freedom to conduct business according to their business'
> interests.  That's on the operators themselves, or rather it's currently a
> wholly unmet responsibility and therefore the role that network operators
> play in the operation of their networks will be defined by the attorney
> general, the director general of ASIO and the commissioners of the
> Australian Federal Police, according to their business' interests.
>
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> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Mark ZZZ Smith <
> markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I think you've forgotten what the AusNOG acronym stands for or forgotten
>> what is in the charter - it's the Australian Network *O*perator's *G*roup.
>> It's fundamentally a technical group.
>>
>> ISOC-AU (http://www.isoc-au.org.au/ )and/or EFA (https://www.efa.org.au/)
>> are the appropriate groups for this discussion.
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>
>> >To: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
>> >Cc: "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at ausnog.net>
>> >Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014, 18:05
>> >Subject: Re: [AusNOG] George Brandis - Be Warned
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>> >
>> ><rant>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>George Brandis - I hope you read this and understand.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>The following article is an example of what we, the tech industry WILL
>> do if you persist on trying to control the Internet, in Australia or
>> anywhere else.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >LOL
>> >
>> >
>> >Prove it.
>> >
>> >
>> >The state of the Australian network operator community is such that
>> Brandis is quite sure, if he has an IQ above room temperature, that he can
>> do literally anything he likes to the community and industry and in
>> response he'll get someone who is community and society minded issuing a
>> call to arms to the AusNOG list that will be met with between 1 and 3
>> people complaining that the email doesn't contain a traceroute pertaining
>> to a specific, current routing issue where someone going via a peer is
>> getting a packet or two dropped and want to know if other people using the
>> same peering have the same problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >Seriously.
>> >
>> >
>> >If you want to issue threats to politicians who are expediting the ISP
>> and carrier industry into a collection of Australian businesses whose
>> primary business models are issuing copyright infringement notices,
>> wholesale aggregating and delivering user metadata and policing what
>> websites their customers can access in the lens of current government
>> policy about what people should do, you might want to check that the
>> industry gives a proverbial.
>> >
>> >
>> >Every attempt at engaging the AusNOG community to care about these
>> issues falls on the deaf ears of operators that just want to get through
>> their shift and have convinced themselves that other people will sort it
>> out if there's a genuine problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >Skeeve if you ever want to work with someone to oppose this sort of
>> stuff contact me directly.  There's two of us, we can find more offlist.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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