[AusNOG] George Brandis - Be Warned

Sun Sep 28 15:58:01 EST 2014

Not to mention the fact that any lawful interception operations in
conjunction with major carriers are probably considered "special
operations" and therefore should be out of the scope of any discussion of
this mailing list, with regards to the fact that any comment on such
operations now carry substantial penalties under criminal law.

C out.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Curtis Bayne <curtis at bayne.com.au> wrote:

> Why bother tapping L2 at the ISP level when you can already do this
> passively and optically at relatively concentrated points at peering
> exchanges and international cable providers?
>
> Given what we've learned about the NSA's technologies, there is a strong
> chance there are carriers having their traffic slurped without them even
> knowing about it. There's a strong chance this has been happening already
> as part of the Five Eyes program - we probably will never know.
>
> At this point, I think it's almost pertinent to queue an argument about
> whether Orwell or Huxley was right - but that is probably a discussion
> reserved for another forum...
>
> -C
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.. Layer 2 doesn't fall under their proposals... and if they
>> suggest we should all start tapping layer 2 to see what people are doing -
>> THEN maybe people will care a bit more.... because until it really affects
>> us, no one is going to get off their asses and do much.
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
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>> On 28 September 2014 13:29, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at fairfaxmedia.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I question how much surveillance can be done at the NBN Co level. Can
>>> someone enlighten me on that?
>>>
>>> Aren't they just layer 2?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ben Grubb
>>>
>>> On 28 September 2014 13:27, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Given the Gov seems committed to this policy I'm surprised they haven't
>>>> instructed NBNCo to embark on early compliance.
>>>>
>>>> .. or maybe they have already??
>>>>
>>>> -P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
>>>> Mark ZZZ Smith
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 10:48 AM
>>>> To: Geordie Guy; Skeeve Stevens
>>>> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] George Brandis - Be Warned
>>>>
>>>> I think you've forgotten what the AusNOG acronym stands for or
>>>> forgotten what is in the charter - it's the Australian Network *O*perator's
>>>> *G*roup. It's fundamentally a technical group.
>>>>
>>>> ISOC-AU (http://www.isoc-au.org.au/ )and/or EFA (
>>>> https://www.efa.org.au/) are the appropriate groups for this
>>>> discussion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >________________________________
>>>> > From: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>
>>>> >To: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
>>>> >Cc: "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at ausnog.net>
>>>> >Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014, 18:05
>>>> >Subject: Re: [AusNOG] George Brandis - Be Warned
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
>>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> ><rant>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>George Brandis - I hope you read this and understand.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>The following article is an example of what we, the tech industry
>>>> WILL do if you persist on trying to control the Internet, in Australia or
>>>> anywhere else.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >LOL
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Prove it.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >The state of the Australian network operator community is such that
>>>> Brandis is quite sure, if he has an IQ above room temperature, that he can
>>>> do literally anything he likes to the community and industry and in
>>>> response he'll get someone who is community and society minded issuing a
>>>> call to arms to the AusNOG list that will be met with between 1 and 3
>>>> people complaining that the email doesn't contain a traceroute pertaining
>>>> to a specific, current routing issue where someone going via a peer is
>>>> getting a packet or two dropped and want to know if other people using the
>>>> same peering have the same problem.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Seriously.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >If you want to issue threats to politicians who are expediting the ISP
>>>> and carrier industry into a collection of Australian businesses whose
>>>> primary business models are issuing copyright infringement notices,
>>>> wholesale aggregating and delivering user metadata and policing what
>>>> websites their customers can access in the lens of current government
>>>> policy about what people should do, you might want to check that the
>>>> industry gives a proverbial.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Every attempt at engaging the AusNOG community to care about these
>>>> issues falls on the deaf ears of operators that just want to get through
>>>> their shift and have convinced themselves that other people will sort it
>>>> out if there's a genuine problem.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Skeeve if you ever want to work with someone to oppose this sort of
>>>> stuff contact me directly.  There's two of us, we can find more offlist.
>>>> >
>>>> >
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