[AusNOG] George Brandis - Be Warned

[Skeeve Stevens]

Exactly.. Layer 2 doesn't fall under their proposals... and if they suggest
we should all start tapping layer 2 to see what people are doing - THEN
maybe people will care a bit more.... because until it really affects us,
no one is going to get off their asses and do much.


...Skeeve

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On 28 September 2014 13:29, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at fairfaxmedia.com.au> wrote:

> I question how much surveillance can be done at the NBN Co level. Can
> someone enlighten me on that?
>
> Aren't they just layer 2?
>
> Regards,
> Ben Grubb
>
> On 28 September 2014 13:27, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Given the Gov seems committed to this policy I'm surprised they haven't
>> instructed NBNCo to embark on early compliance.
>>
>> .. or maybe they have already??
>>
>> -P
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark
>> ZZZ Smith
>> Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 10:48 AM
>> To: Geordie Guy; Skeeve Stevens
>> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] George Brandis - Be Warned
>>
>> I think you've forgotten what the AusNOG acronym stands for or forgotten
>> what is in the charter - it's the Australian Network *O*perator's *G*roup.
>> It's fundamentally a technical group.
>>
>> ISOC-AU (http://www.isoc-au.org.au/ )and/or EFA (https://www.efa.org.au/)
>> are the appropriate groups for this discussion.
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>
>> >To: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
>> >Cc: "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at ausnog.net>
>> >Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014, 18:05
>> >Subject: Re: [AusNOG] George Brandis - Be Warned
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>> >
>> ><rant>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>George Brandis - I hope you read this and understand.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>The following article is an example of what we, the tech industry WILL
>> do if you persist on trying to control the Internet, in Australia or
>> anywhere else.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >LOL
>> >
>> >
>> >Prove it.
>> >
>> >
>> >The state of the Australian network operator community is such that
>> Brandis is quite sure, if he has an IQ above room temperature, that he can
>> do literally anything he likes to the community and industry and in
>> response he'll get someone who is community and society minded issuing a
>> call to arms to the AusNOG list that will be met with between 1 and 3
>> people complaining that the email doesn't contain a traceroute pertaining
>> to a specific, current routing issue where someone going via a peer is
>> getting a packet or two dropped and want to know if other people using the
>> same peering have the same problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >Seriously.
>> >
>> >
>> >If you want to issue threats to politicians who are expediting the ISP
>> and carrier industry into a collection of Australian businesses whose
>> primary business models are issuing copyright infringement notices,
>> wholesale aggregating and delivering user metadata and policing what
>> websites their customers can access in the lens of current government
>> policy about what people should do, you might want to check that the
>> industry gives a proverbial.
>> >
>> >
>> >Every attempt at engaging the AusNOG community to care about these
>> issues falls on the deaf ears of operators that just want to get through
>> their shift and have convinced themselves that other people will sort it
>> out if there's a genuine problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >Skeeve if you ever want to work with someone to oppose this sort of
>> stuff contact me directly.  There's two of us, we can find more offlist.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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