[AusNOG] Simon Hackett's slide deck from AusNOG 2014 with added audio

Thu Sep 11 09:15:25 EST 2014

Huh? A level playing field was the objective? Are we in some sort of socialist internet revolution or something? Your altruism seems to be ignoring the enormous costs. Costs and deliverables which much more populace and similar size geographies have failed to handle effectively (there's a huge number of premises in the U.S that still can't get any fixed line internet service).

The purpose of the NBN was to future proof comms infrastructure. Maybe there's some politician who said it was meant to be equal but anyone with even an ounce of telco experience would know it never is. The best we can manage is a fixed price undertaking, a consistent wholesale pricing scheme to enhance competition and less wastage in what is essentially a government corporation. 

References to copper ignores that the ROI on the original investment in copper occurred decades ago so repairs only scratch the surface of Telstra's profit margins.

I for one applaud the design decision to ensure FTTP is still an option while focusing on what they can deliver with their constraints and props to Simon Hackett for working "from within". At least we can rest assured that he along with many of the other board members have actually BUILT these things before and we aren't just pouring money into a pit with no outcome.

Stu

> On 10 Sep 2014, at 12:50 pm, ANSA SERVERS <info at ausnetservers.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Jarred,
>  
> So your “average” consumer has the fibre money which is wrapped in so much red tap it isn’t funny, everyone wants a dip of the honey pot it is no longer funny.
>  
> The idea behind the NBN network was to provide a network that was a level playing field….. is asking for consumers to pay for their own fibre a level playing field? Do consumers run their own copper into their house because they want a VDSL or EOC??
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Matthew Matters  Managing Director / CEO of Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd
> Management Department  |  Small Business Hosting Sales & Services  |  Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd
> P  1300 933 038  |  M  0428 028 091  |  E  mmatters at ausnetservers.net.au |  W  www.ausnetservers.net.au
> ABN 25 162 013 194 | ACN 162 013 194 | ARBN B2318 229M | #1 For Dedicated Hosting Solutions For Small Business Since 2007
>  
> From: Jared Hirst [mailto:jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2014 12:47 PM
> To: ANSA SERVERS
> Cc: Adam O'Reilly; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's slide deck from AusNOG 2014 with added audio
>  
> From that presentation simon says you can order a direct fibre haul to your house? So for the most population 100mbit is fine? Anyone wanting more thhe can haul a fibre in?
> 
> On Wednesday, September 10, 2014, ANSA SERVERS <info at ausnetservers.net.au> wrote:
> But Darren, this is tax payer money. Tax payers want the best from
> Their money not a half asses "that'll do" attitude 
> 
> Regards,
>  
> Matthew Matters  Managing Director / CEO of Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd
> Management Department  |  Small Business Hosting Sales & Services  |  Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd
> P  1300 933 038  |  M  0428 028 091  |  E  mmatters at ausnetservers.net.au |  W  www.ausnetservers.net.au
> ABN 25 162 013 194 | ACN 162 013 194 | ARBN B2318 229M | #1 For Dedicated Hosting Solutions For Small Business Since 2007
> 
> On 10 Sep 2014, at 12:38 pm, "ANSA SERVERS" <info at ausnetservers.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Adam,
>  
> Yes 100mb might be fine for now but what about the future, from what I understand this copper in the last mile can only handle 100mb, so in the future it WILL have to be ripped up and replaced with CAT6 ( or better) of direct fibre…… which begs the comment why are they not doing that now
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Matthew Matters  Managing Director / CEO of Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd
> Management Department  |  Small Business Hosting Sales & Services  |  Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd
> P  1300 933 038  |  M  0428 028 091  |  E  mmatters at ausnetservers.net.au |  W  www.ausnetservers.net.au
> ABN 25 162 013 194 | ACN 162 013 194 | ARBN B2318 229M | #1 For Dedicated Hosting Solutions For Small Business Since 2007
>  
> From: Adam O'Reilly [mailto:adam at oreilly.bz] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2014 12:37 PM
> To: ANSA SERVERS
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's slide deck from AusNOG 2014 with added audio
>  
> I think 100mbit will be fine.
>  
> http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/netflix-ceo-says-4k-streaming-will-only-require-15mbps-bandwidth/
>  
> and assuming that you are streaming a 4GB movie:
>  
> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4GB+in+90+minutes
>  
>  
> On 10 Sep 2014, at 11:50 am, ANSA SERVERS <info at ausnetservers.net.au> wrote:
>  
> 
> Umm my argument mainly is by the time they have finished rolling out there 100mb nbn it WILL BE obsolete
> 
> My understanding of the nbn post liberal government was that the nbn was supposed to be a transport network for phone , internet , DTV, foxtel and other networks and applications we havent even thought off
>  
> Good luck getting  HDTV to work without buffering with multiple users in a household with 100/xx
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Matthew Matters  Managing Director / CEO of Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd
> Management Department  |  Small Business Hosting Sales & Services  |  Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd
> P  1300 933 038  |  M  0428 028 091  |  E  mmatters at ausnetservers.net.au |  W  www.ausnetservers.net.au
> ABN 25 162 013 194 | ACN 162 013 194 | ARBN B2318 229M | #1 For Dedicated Hosting Solutions For Small Business Since 2007
> 
> On 10 Sep 2014, at 12:15 pm, "Mark Newton" <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
> 
>  
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:18 PM, ANSA SERVERS <info at ausnetservers.net.au> wrote:
>  
> 
> FTTN might work for the time being but will have to be replaced with more money out of the tax payers pocket. If the government knew anything about the state of the copper network their research would of told them that the part of the copper network they are keeping is the worst effected part of the network.
>  
> This line of argument needs to stop.
>  
> FTTN vs FTTH has been discussed ad nauseaum since about 2005.  Telstra first approached the Howard Government about FTTN, the Rudd Government started with FTTN then switched to FTTH.  Now the Abbott Government is doing both.
>  
> I think it’s safe to assert that all of the Governments involved in the many different NBNs which have been proposed know exactly what the state of the copper is.
>  
> If you believe that the Government would stop proposing networks that use the CAN if only they knew about the state of the CAN, you are wrong.  Stop doing that, it’s making you look silly, and no NBN-related argument has ever been won with that point.
>  
>   - mark
>  
>  
> The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of it, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons and/or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material. If you have been sent this email and it is not addressed to you please forward the email as is to hostmaster at ausnetservers.net.au and delete all local and inta-local copies including backups from your system. E-mails may not be secure, may contain computer viruses and may be corrupted in transmission. Please carefully check this e-mail (and any attachment) accordingly. No warranties are given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage caused by such matters. This email has been scanned before transmission with business grade antivirus and antispam software but as mentioned above no warranties can be given that the email has not been contaminated after transmission.
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>  
> The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of it, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons and/or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material. If you have been sent this email and it is not addressed to you please forward the email as is to hostmaster at ausnetservers.net.au and delete all local and inta-local copies including backups from your system. E-mails may not be secure, may contain computer viruses and may be corrupted in transmission. Please carefully check this e-mail (and any attachment) accordingly. No warranties are given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage caused by such matters. This email has been scanned before transmission with business grade antivirus and antispam software but as mentioned above no warranties can be given that the email has not been contaminated after transmission.
> 
> 
> --
> Jared Hirst
> Chief Executive Officer
> 
> Office Address: 2/2 Teamster Close, Tuggerah NSW 2259 
> Postal Address: PO Box 3187, Tuggerah NSW 2259 
> Phone: +61 2 8115 8801 | Network Ops: +61 2 8115 8850 | Main Switch: +61 2 8115 8888 
> Web: www.serversaustralia.com.au
> 
> 
> How are we doing?
> please click here to tell Servers Australia - We‘re listening
> 
>   
> Notice: This message may contain private and confidential information intended only for the recipients. If you have received this message in error please delete immediately and notify the sender, as any distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. The views & opinions expressed in this e-mail are NOT necessarily those of Servers Australia
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this email - every year we are losing 40 million acres of oxygen producing forests through logging and land clearing.
> 
>  
>   The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of it, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons and/or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material. If you have been sent this email and it is not addressed to you please forward the email as is to hostmaster at ausnetservers.net.au and delete all local and inta-local copies including backups from your system. E-mails may not be secure, may contain computer viruses and may be corrupted in transmission. Please carefully check this e-mail (and any attachment) accordingly. No warranties are given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage caused by such matters. This email has been scanned before transmission with business grade antivirus and antispam software but as mentioned above no warranties can be given that the email has not been contaminated after transmission.
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20140911/03b75c19/attachment.html>