[AusNOG] TPG Peering

Wed Oct 22 13:05:10 EST 2014

It's interesting you should say that. I met with someone from TPG/Pipe Networks a while ago and he explicitly stated that TPG were going to connect to Megaport and associated IX. 

Either he was wrong, or TPG have changed their minds. 

Regardless, it's hardly surprising now that TPG are part of the Gang of Four that their IX setup is going to be "deprioritised". 

The change in traffic swap volumes between the four members would be interesting to see post the completion of TPG's acquisition of AAPT... 

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From: "Zone Networks - Joel" <joel at zonenetworks.com.au> 
To: "Nathan Sullivan" <nathan at nightsys.net>, "Chris Ricks" <chris.ricks at securepay.com.au> 
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October, 2014 1:00:23 PM 
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] TPG Peering 

So some of these guys are eating up the 20G IX link and smaller providers are to suffer.. 

.eg go buy transit or reroute traffic… 

This whole thing is #*$&##.. 

TPG dropped out of other IX’s to force providers to stay/switch to pipe IX 

Now the TPG port in pipe IX is maxed and nothing is being done to fix it… 

Hmmm… 

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Nathan Sullivan 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2014 11:37 AM 
To: Chris Ricks 
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPG Peering 

Top candidates for high traffic into PIPE NSW at the flatline period: 

LLNW/Limelight 

Cloudflare 

CDNetworks 

Chime/iiNet 

ABC 

Amazon/AWS 

Akamai 

Mostly CDN content, not sure if any of them have a better path or not. They would probably all be getting impacted for that short flatline period right now also, in terms of TPG's customers not getting optimal performance from their CDN edge nodes. 

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Nathan Sullivan < nathan at nightsys.net > wrote: 

That 9pm mark on the PIPE QLD/NSW/VIC graphs really does look hot. I wonder if its only a Gig port in QLD/VIC also, being it touches that mark...? Obviously a flatline at 20 on the NSW graph. 

You almost need a large peer to de-pref some stuff from PIPE IX to free up some of TPGs capacity if they won't do it... and hopefully if your lucky make it more expensive for TPG in the process to receive it :) Then maybe the 20Gbit port will get bumped. 

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Chris Ricks < chris.ricks at securepay.com.au > wrote: 

If the issue is due to port congestion, other members of the IX should be seeing the same problem shouldn't they? Is anyone else complaining 

From: "Jared Hirst" < jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au > 
To: "Nathan Sullivan" < nathan at nightsys.net > 
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October, 2014 11:22:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPG Peering 

Yeah we are doing that with some traffic, but for gamers this is not ideal. 

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Nathan Sullivan < nathan at nightsys.net > wrote: 

Being you said its 500Mbit of traffic from You -> TPG, and you can probably control which IX fabric to feed it into, can you just feed it into another state where TPG isnt so congested...? Obviously far from ideal.... but 20~ms of latency is probably more preferably than link congestion... yea? 

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Jared Hirst < jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au > wrote: 

Yeah the issue is that there is a multi level of complaints flooding in, sure we can route around it to say Vocus or someone BUT they would then try and just push it back through their PIPE peering to TPG.... so I am paying for it to go via a transit provider to only have it sent back into the PIPE peering. 

I am sure we can make some communities and traffic magic happen, but that's all pointless when I am paying TPG for their PIPE peering port? So why should I be penalised by them having a congested port when I am paying to send them traffic anyway? 

Regardless of the costs here, I just need to get the issues resolved, I have so many complaints and customers are generally un-happy, they simply blame us for everything. 

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Joseph Goldman < joe at apcs.com.au > wrote: 

What's even more interesting is that Jared wants to resolve a problem for - who exactly ? Does it end up being that he's a content provider and thus the eyeballs in question (gaming or otherwise) are worth $$ to him ? In which case the discussion heads in a particular direction. Or are the users in question not actually his users (they're TPG's) and at which point why would you care (business wise - I understand why everyone cares from a good 'net perspective). Isn't this the marketplace at work ? 

The answers to whose customers...everyones, really. 

You have the EU -> ISP arrangement, the EU -> Content Owner arrangement, and Content Owner -> Content Hoster [SAU in this case]. 

The EU would get the blame game from ISP to Content Owner, Content Owner would receive the complaint and likely forward to Content Hoster, Content Hoster has identified the problem as a TPG ingress point, something he has no control over, so has no choice but to blame it back to TPG. 

To his credit, he is actually trying to resolve the issue directly to stop the viscous cycle of blame. 

It's a hard spot to be in. 

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