[AusNOG] Offsite Storage [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Alan Maher]

I have no idea what Australia asks of its ISP/RSP companies, but have to 
assume
it is not dissimilar to those of NZ.
If you want details , go here:
http://www.ncsc.govt.nz/ticsa/

This basically says "bend over" and the rest you know.
All your base are pwned.

On 26/11/2014 6:51 p.m., Anthony Moore wrote:
> Many government agencies have what are called ISM compliance requirements.
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> http://www.asd.gov.au/infosec/ism/
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> Anthony
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> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of James Hodgkinson
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:40 PM
> To: Geordie Guy
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
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> Some people have legislative requirements that give them reason to hyperventilate…
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> On 26 November 2014 at 2:34:27 pm, Geordie Guy (elomis at gmail.com) wrote:
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> 	People hyperventilate about cloud data locations a lot more than makes sense, but yes AWS have an Australian region in an Australian DC.  They're also building two more DCs themselves.
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> 	On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:
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> 		Where do AWS store this data as in which governments’ laws come in to play. Do AWS have tin in Australia and can you make the data stay only in Australia?
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> 		Alex
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> 		From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry at vibecommunications.co.nz]
> 		Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:19 PM
> 		To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Peter Tiggerdine
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> 		Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> 		Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
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> 		Sounds like a small amount of data, tried Amazon S3 or something similar?
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> 		Amazon allows you to ‘mount’ a virtual tape drive in their cloud and you can set it to have 7 tapes and rotate them daily etc.
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> 		See http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway/
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> 		You can then have backups older than X days go into glacier rather than the more expensive S3 if you wanted.
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> 		From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
> 		Date: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 5:10 pm
> 		To: Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com>
> 		Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
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> 		Yes
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> 		My current investigation is small amount of data ~ 10-20G of core data.
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> 		We are happy with our current backup regime but we don’t account for malicious loss of data. IE all the backups are available on the network somebody can delete everything online.  Offsite gives you protection from that.
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> 		Currently the old tape backup unit isn’t functioning, we are looking at around ~10-15K for a server / storage / drive / tapes.  I could also but some external HD’s, write to them over nite and then ship them off during the day. With the cost of SSD and their size coming down that’s even more attractive.
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> 		What I would really like is some virtual tape library available over Mega Port, where somebody else looks after tape management or virtual tapes, as long as I need some process which includes authorisation to bring the tapes back on line.  But at the right price J
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> 		From: Peter Tiggerdine [mailto:ptiggerdine at gmail.com]
> 		Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:57 PM
> 		To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
> 		Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> 		Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
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> 		Pundits have being declaring this for 20 years and it still hasn't happened.
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> 		Tape has it's place as does D2D backup.
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> 		The answer to your question is "it depends" on "
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> 		Organisation size and maturity.
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> 		On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:
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> 		Wondering what people are doing for offsite store / backups. Looking at http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out LTO tapes sales are down.  People are backing up to disk.
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> 		But what are people doing for offsite.  Removable HDs ?
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