[AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

[Joseph Goldman]

The Go4 make up a lot of AU user base and if they were forced onto a public IX, those who do host content can get easier connectivity to them. 

With that being the case, yes it would effectively kill the domestic transit market, which I noted in some way in my original post, but could be a major benefit to the industry as a whole, minus a few feeling the pain of the lost market.

Again, and especially after this conversation, I agree there are more in depth issues that need to be considered but my initial comment was based mostly on the idea of a network operator only having to worry about purchasing international, and maintaining peering. 

On 21 July 2014 22:52:39 GMT+10:00, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
>
>On 21 Jul 2014, at 22:09, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I personally (as the person who brought up government mandates) was
>actually suggesting that ISP's (those that deliver internet access to
>end users, specifically, vs say content hosters like Netflix) be forced
>to join IX's, in an attempt to break up Go4 and make most domestic
>transit affordable for everyone.
>
>Okay, I'll bite:
>
>It's 2014. Why is the Go4 so important to you?
>
>It doesn't appear to be relevant to the medium-sized parts of the
>industry anymore.
>There was a time when it utterly dominated discussion on aussie-isp,
>but that was
>a very long time ago, and these days it's barely mentioned at all.
>
>I doubt it's meaningful to Telstra anymore: their peering policy would
>very likely
>be exactly the same without the ACCC-mandated ruling, except for the
>fact that they'd
>probably de-peer AAPT.  
>
>And let's not forget Optus:  They don't want to meet you at peering
>exchanges either.
>Their choice, without Telstra's monopoly legacy.  Abolishing the Go4
>won't change 
>their behavior either.
>
>So why does anyone else care about it anymore?  How is it meaningfully
>different from the 
>situation you'd be in if you were American, and Level(3) and AT&T
>declined to peer
>with you because it was more commercially beneficial for them to sell
>you traffic
>instead?
>
>I'm not saying you shouldn't break out the Peering Playbook and see if
>you can 
>make it cheaper for Telstra and Optus to peer with you than not peer
>with you.  Fair
>game, 'n' all that.
>
>But, invoking the Government to swoop in and make it all better for
>you?  Really?
>
>Suggestion:  Buy transit from non-Go4 suppliers (such as, for example,
>Vocus). Peer
>aggressively at the -IX's to maximize the amount of domestic carriage
>you can do 
>for zero marginal cost.  Maintain connections to Telstra and Optus,
>buying domestic
>transit only, on short term contracts where they know you're playing
>them off
>against each other on price.  In this marketplace, domestic transit is
>virtually indistinguishable from paid peering anyway, so sign up for
>that and see
>how far down you can drive your Telstra spend by moving your traffic
>away from
>Telstra.
>
>(or in your case, Optus)
>
>If you're an eyeball ISP with 80% of your traffic heading
>internationally, and you
>pick up half of the remainder with peering, only 10% of your total
>traffic mix
>will need to come from a Go4 member. 
>
>What do you think would happen to bandwidth prices in this country if
>more of you
>lot behaved like that, instead of stitching up long-term high-bandwidth
>transit
>contracts with Telstra and Optus, or signing up with VISP suppliers who
>take away
>your decision-making control about your bandwidth supplies?
>
>  - mark

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