[AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

Mon Jul 21 16:12:24 EST 2014

Well I think the NBN would have good step in the right direction.

Any way it is what it is..

A

From: Paul Wallace [mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 21 July 2014 4:08 PM
To: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

Too late .. the horse has bolted.

The previous Government went down the path of effectively buying some of the Carrier infrastructure but did so in a profoundly prejudicial way.

-P

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
Sent: Monday, 21 July 2014 3:57 PM
To: AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

I think… real life example

The government build roads (and they should continue to). It to the advantage of every one, and help business.  Network access should be run by the government remove the commercial interest in locking people in etc etc

Services should be what companies compete on, that’s sort of the picture I saw when I read about the original NBN.

Telstra should never have been allowed to take the copper into private land…. When it was sold off

Alex

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Sam Silvester
Sent: Monday, 21 July 2014 3:52 PM
To: AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

Netflix aren't interested in the last mile, the Government doesn't need to do anything for their service to Just Work here (it already does, for anybody with Google search skills and an interest in using it. It's not just technically savvy users, I can guarantee you).

So that leaves peering etc. If it's commercially sane for Netflix to put a cache in to a given network, they will. Likewise, if it's commercially sane for them to peer on an IX or locate CDN nodes in Sydney, they will.

The Government doesn't need to get involved. As Mark says - if it doesn't make commercial sense to do either of the above, they'll just deliver via the US. Easy.

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com<mailto:jacob at jacobgardiner.com>> wrote:
Do you use ADSL?
Have you ever used a torrent?

I’d say most people who are interested in watching their favourite shows do so by leaving their torrent client open overnight, on a crappy ADSL connection. They’d all be be extremely happy to pay $10 per month and get something like netflix in their home.

So yeah, our market is inhibited and citizens work around it by going the slow, illegal route. If you bring netflix to town, i’d probably also say that our favourite government would need to re-evaluate our broadband network(s) for starters.

--
Jacob Gardiner
@jacobgardiner<https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner>

On 21 July 2014 at 2:53:47 pm, Mark ZZZ Smith (markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au<mailto:markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>) wrote:
By saying we should be 'enabling businesses like Netflix', you're implying they're currently 'disabled'. How?

________________________________
From: Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com<mailto:jacob at jacobgardiner.com>>
To: Sam Silvester <sam.silvester at gmail.com<mailto:sam.silvester at gmail.com>>; Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au<mailto:markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>>; "AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>
Sent: Monday, 21 July 2014 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

My point is that we should be enabling businesses like Netflix. I’m not saying anybody should get special treatment. Hypothetically if Netflix were to come on-shore and blow away Quickflix because they’re better then I have no problem with that. In fact they may help influence a change in policy that might make business easier for other VOD suppliers.

We’ve got issues. When a company like Netflix comes to town, these issues are forced and hopefully resolved with benefits to the entire market, not just Netflix.

--
Jacob Gardiner
@jacobgardiner<https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner>

On 21 July 2014 at 2:39:51 pm, Mark ZZZ Smith (markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au<mailto:markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>) wrote:
And why should Netflix get special treatment? Why not Quickflix, Google Play or (shock horror) FoxTel. Why not my about-to-incorporate-if-I-get-free-taxpayer-money VOD company MarkSmithFlix?

If you believe in network neutrality, then you shouldn't believe in anybody getting preferential treatment, whether that preferential treatment is in the form of government sponsorship, regulation or even zero metering of some content providers' content but not others by ISPs.

Netflix should come to Australia because they want to, and they'd want to if they can make a suitable profit. Any preferential treatment of them penalises every other VoD player.

>________________________________
> From: Sam Silvester <sam.silvester at gmail.com<mailto:sam.silvester at gmail.com>>
>To: "AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>
>Sent: Monday, 21 July 2014 12:05 PM
>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?
>
>
>
>I'm curious as to why anybody thinks there needs to be a Government response here - not to mention it's all hypothetical so far anyway.
>
>If/when Netflix come to AU, why would their model be any different to elsewhere? Caches for networks that justify them, and building their CDN out to peering points that make sense.
>
>
>It's what they have done elsewhere, why would anybody think here would be a special or different case?
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com<mailto:jacob at jacobgardiner.com>> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>On 21 July 2014 at 11:18:36 am, Mark Newton (newton at atdot.dotat.org<mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org>) wrote:
>>The Government is entirely impotent in this area.  They cannot force an offshore provider to make decisions which are suboptimal to their business.
>>This is exactly where the mindset needs to change.
>>If the Government wants a business like Netflix and many others to invest into Australia’s market then there should be incentives to do so.
>>Or we could just wait until we run out of rocks to dig up WA then freak out.
>>_______________________________________________
>>AusNOG mailing list
>>AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
>>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AusNOG mailing list
>AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
>
_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20140721/6e765294/attachment.html>