[AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

[Bevan Slattery]

Yes.  Yahoo, Google, Akamai, Limelight, Facebook, Microsoft will all tell
you that the cost of domestic transit in Australia is high when compared to
most other developed countries in the world.  So when users
(consumers/voters) want to watch movies on demand they find themselves
restricted due to copyright/studio monopolies establishing a different set
of licensing arrangements which are burdensome and costly and of course
geo-restricting and then a peering arrangement which has not changed since
the late 90's which inhibits new entrants from firstly investing in domestic
infrastructure and then secondly creating exciting and disruptive services.

It is more expensive to connect to your domestic instance of Amazon than
your US instanceŠ considerably.  The same will probably happen with Azure,
Google Compute.  All because of domestic transit costs.  I'm not blaming
those in the club ­ all the power to them.  Drink away.  But this dance has
been going on for 15 years and some how "OzEmail" are still in the GoF
despite being a trickle in terms of traffic.  The regulators have created an
entrenched club and failed to look at what opportunities we have lost.

What if a Nextgen or Vocus were included in a peering arrangement (and the
terms of which are supposed to be published on the websites of the GoF as
part of the determination)?  We would have a really interesting player to
deliver a national domestic product to the networks that would change the
commercial paradigm significantly.  But alas we are geo-excluded
(copyright), commercially challenge (GoF) and soon to be further legally
corn-holed from accessing off-shore content (Copyright Treaty).

If you can't see much wrong with that picture then you may have spent too
long sniffing the packets :)

[b]

From:  Sam Silvester <sam.silvester at gmail.com>
Date:  Monday, 21 July 2014 2:45 PM
To:  "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject:  Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?

I'd say based on popularity Netflix seem to have what they need to operate
just fine...again, why is this something for the Government to solve? Have
Netflix said they have problems / see problems distributing content in
Australia? Have other streaming providers?

https://getpocketbook.com/blog/netflix-australia-2-stats-scare-local-players
/


On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com>
wrote:
> What about the potential for Australian produced content to be streamed to
> your nearest internet connected computer or tablet? Or better yet, exported
> via Netflix to a global audience?
> 
> Netflix solve a distribution issue, they¹re not a studio. This being said,
> Netflix need the infrastructure to be present and that¹s what this
> conversation is about. The NBN idea was meant to stimulate our industry to
> move beyond what it is now and enable businesses LIKE Netflix to set up and
> provide new services to Australia. (hence my dig at our dependance on mining)
> 
> IF the government was to talk to a business like Netflix and ask them what a
> fast growing online business needs to operate they¹d hopefully be more
> receptive than listening to a bunch of complainers (I imagine the government
> looks at groups like this as whingers).
> 
> netflix need - good connectivity, everywhere & local film and media content. -
> I think most people in AU want the same?
> 
> 
> On 21 July 2014 at 12:03:59 pm, Lincoln Dale (ltd at arista.com) wrote:
>  
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 21 July 2014 at 11:18:36 am, Mark Newton (newton at atdot.dotat.org) wrote:
>>>> The Government is entirely impotent in this area.  They cannot force an
>>>> offshore provider to make decisions which are suboptimal to their business.
>>> This is exactly where the mindset needs to change.
>>> 
>>> If the Government wants a business like Netflix and many others to invest
>>> into Australia¹s market then there should be incentives to do so.
>> 
>> 
>> umm. Just exactly what do you think the 'government' gets out of Netflix and
>> others offering services in Australia? And what makes you think thats
>> "investing in Australia" ?
>> 
>> Employees in Australia? Not likely. At least not any more than they would
>> otherwise have.
>> 
>> Equipment in Australia? Possibly. But I can pretty much guarantee that not a
>> single physical thing inside a server, disk, NIC or switch has been
>> manufactured in Australia.
>> 
>> Netflix buying more of that 'stuff' may indirectly contribute to suppliers to
>> Netflix, but likely that doesn't magically result in more tax $ to the
>> Australian Government or magically promote 'investment' in Australia.
>> You think otherwise?
>> 
>> 
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