[AusNOG] Village Roadshow confirms Netflix coming to Australia

John Lindsay johnslindsay at mac.com
Wed Jul 16 00:24:53 EST 2014 

Netflix don't care about ISP costs so they will inject the packets into the internet wherever they can find suitable fat uncontended bandwidth and the megabit cost is cheapest. That means LA or San Jose unless Telstra and other eyeball networks offer them a cheaper alternative. 

Why be closer to the user? STB has big buffers and processes pause locally. 

John Lindsay

> On 15 Jul 2014, at 7:34 pm, Ben Buxton <bb.ausnog at bb.cactii.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Telstra are a small network in the world game. Big providers will and have twisted their arm to get respectable access through them. And with 40G being just a rounding error as far as Netflix goes, Telstra will cave.
> 
> This presumes the aussie netflix current subscriber numbers represent the trend, and that they dont cripple the library.
> 
> BB.
> 
> 
>> On 15 July 2014 18:06, Curtis Bayne <curtis at bayne.com.au> wrote:
>> Mark,
>> 
>> With the sheer spectral density of WDM equipment these days and further thought, I retract my previous enthusiasm for popcorn.
>> 
>> Telstra probably has a boatload of capacity left on Endeavor - a 40Gbps wave for Netflix peering in LA to maintain their protectionist stance on domestic peering is a no-brainer economically.
>> 
>> I hate that you're right. But you are.
>> 
>> -C
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
>>> Telstra owns the cable systems used to supply virtually all of their transit. 
>>> 
>>> If you own the infrastructure, the marginal cost of turning up new circuits is pretty negligible. Why do you assume that their price is related to their cost of supply?
>>> 
>>> I doubt Telstra much cares whether Netflix enters their network in Sydney or LA.
>>> 
>>>    - mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Jul 2014, at 16:06, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag at rendrag.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It'll be interesting to see..  I guess it's a matter of the cost of international transit vs a LOT of lost revenue if they open the gates to peering, rather than charging for ALL connectivity..
>>>> 
>>>> Though when you start getting into the 5+ gigabits range, telstra transit gets so cheap (well, for .au) that Netflix may just pay it..?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 July 2014 16:01, Nathan Sullivan <nathan at nightsys.net> wrote:
>>>>> Was thinking exactly the same thing :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can imagine the performance warning when you start loading streams now... Verizon style.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Curtis Bayne <curtis at bayne.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder how much traffic Telstra is willing to carry on its international circuits just to maintain this nearly decades(!) old peering policy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This should be interesting. Popcorn time! (pun intended ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Scott Howard <scott at doc.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> Not if they deliver it to them in the US...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Then when performance tanks, they just put up an error blaming Telstra, just like they are doing with Verizon in the US.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   Scott
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag at rendrag.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I wonder if they realise yet that they're going to have to PAY Telstra to deliver content to Telstra's customers? :)  I'd love to be a fly on the wall during that conversation :D
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 15 July 2014 15:25, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hopefully they just jump on the major IX's and that should cover a lot of AU anyway shouldn't it? At least the medium sized networks.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/07/14 15:22, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping they will consider Australia differently ;-)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Lincoln Dale <ltd at arista.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ltd at arista.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>     On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>>>>>>>>>>     <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>         I assume that a significant number of ISPs will go the Netflix
>>>>>>>>>>         Open Connect cache.... so it will already be inside their
>>>>>>>>>>         network and it is really about the backhaul at that point.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>     I doubt that even the largest ISP in Australia by number of netflix
>>>>>>>>>>     subscribers meets the minimum requirements for private interconnect
>>>>>>>>>>     w/ Netflix.
>>>>>>>>>>     <https://www.netflix.com/openconnect/guidelines>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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