[AusNOG] Village Roadshow confirms Netflix coming to Australia

Tue Jul 15 18:06:47 EST 2014

Mark,

With the sheer spectral density of WDM equipment these days and further
thought, I retract my previous enthusiasm for popcorn.

Telstra probably has a boatload of capacity left on Endeavor - a 40Gbps
wave for Netflix peering in LA to maintain their protectionist stance on
domestic peering is a no-brainer economically.

I hate that you're right. But you are.

-C

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:

> Telstra owns the cable systems used to supply virtually all of their
> transit.
>
> If you own the infrastructure, the marginal cost of turning up new
> circuits is pretty negligible. Why do you assume that their price is
> related to their cost of supply?
>
> I doubt Telstra much cares whether Netflix enters their network in Sydney
> or LA.
>
>    - mark
>
>
> On 15 Jul 2014, at 16:06, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag at rendrag.net> wrote:
>
> It'll be interesting to see..  I guess it's a matter of the cost of
> international transit vs a LOT of lost revenue if they open the gates to
> peering, rather than charging for ALL connectivity..
>
> Though when you start getting into the 5+ gigabits range, telstra transit
> gets so cheap (well, for .au) that Netflix may just pay it..?
>
>
> On 15 July 2014 16:01, Nathan Sullivan <nathan at nightsys.net> wrote:
>
>> Was thinking exactly the same thing :)
>>
>> I can imagine the performance warning when you start loading streams
>> now... Verizon style.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Curtis Bayne <curtis at bayne.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder how much traffic Telstra is willing to carry on its
>>> international circuits just to maintain this nearly decades(!) old peering
>>> policy.
>>>
>>> This should be interesting. Popcorn time! (pun intended ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Scott Howard <scott at doc.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not if they deliver it to them in the US...
>>>>
>>>> Then when performance tanks, they just put up an error blaming Telstra,
>>>> just like they are doing with Verizon in the US.
>>>>
>>>>   Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Damien Gardner Jnr <
>>>> rendrag at rendrag.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if they realise yet that they're going to have to PAY Telstra
>>>>> to deliver content to Telstra's customers? :)  I'd love to be a fly on the
>>>>> wall during that conversation :D
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 July 2014 15:25, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully they just jump on the major IX's and that should cover a
>>>>>> lot of AU anyway shouldn't it? At least the medium sized networks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/07/14 15:22, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm hoping they will consider Australia differently ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Lincoln Dale <ltd at arista.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:ltd at arista.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>>>>>>>     <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>>>>     <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         I assume that a significant number of ISPs will go the
>>>>>>> Netflix
>>>>>>>         Open Connect cache.... so it will already be inside their
>>>>>>>         network and it is really about the backhaul at that point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I doubt that even the largest ISP in Australia by number of
>>>>>>> netflix
>>>>>>>     subscribers meets the minimum requirements for private
>>>>>>> interconnect
>>>>>>>     w/ Netflix.
>>>>>>>     <https://www.netflix.com/openconnect/guidelines>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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