[AusNOG] Pokethernet cable tester

[Paul Jones]

The whole idea of the licence requirement starts to break down when your comms service is delivered via fibre, as there is nothing electrically you could do anyway to break it. Similarly as Noel mentioned before, with a connection via wireless.
There is a similar thing in the electrical industry where it is nearly illegal for someone without an electrical licence to modify/build/repair a device that has a mains connection, even for someone like myself with an electrical engineering degree and plenty of relevant experience. At least it’s much easier to get a cabling licence than an electrical licence.
Perhaps there needs to be the introduction of an “Isolation device” into the cabling rules that would clear up all these strange issues.

Chaars,
Paul.

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Noel Butler
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 9:19 AM
To: John Lindsay
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Pokethernet cable tester

On Sun, 2014-02-02 at 17:31 +1030, John Lindsay wrote:



To put it in perspective, I'm qualified to work on cabling inside a telephone exchange because the owner of the site gets to make the rules and I hold certain access rights but I don't have a cabling license so I'm not qualified in your house.



Malcolm could change these rules in support of NBN roll out but after the pink bats debacle I think it unlikely. Hope I'm wrong.



The dumber thing is, you can go out and buy a 50m  patch lead, cut holes in your walls where you want the two ends to exit, you can run that cable through the walls, roof, under floor, hell, via friggin Mars if you want, you can then install nice clipsal plates at both ends to protect your drywall, or make it look nice and pretty, assuming the rj45 still fits through it that is, thats all perfectly legal under the CPR, even if you put that hole in the same place as a 240v socket.

But, don't ever snip those two rj45's off and snap them into a socket, thats when the govt says you need a structured cabler endorsement on an  open cable lic, and they'll make you redo the socket 10cm away [:)]

<said in sound of  that famous cartoon - and I often think these pollies are as blind as him too>
aahhhhhhhhhhh nannies in canberra.... you always manage to astound me.






John Lindsay



> On 2 Feb 2014, at 4:48 pm, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net<mailto:noel.butler at ausics.net>> wrote:

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>> On Sun, 2014-02-02 at 15:47 +1100, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:

>> As it was tought to me, it doesn’t matter what the purpose of the connection is - if you are connecting to fixed cabling (that is, any cable which is fixed in place in *any* way - legally, a patch cable passed through a wall, or passed through conduit or aussieduct becomes fixed cabling.), the d

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> If its for internal intranet, as in not connecting anything to the internetz or any telecoms network in any way, it does not need be,  nor, do you need to be a licensed cabler in such cases, but, it must not ever have even a single possible access point to the net, then, it becomes covered under the CPR

> Used to all be exempt under the digital data exemption, which was wiped when Howard govt made changes and introduced the CPR.

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>> The biggest problem is the definition of where it starts and ends is too open ended.. Back when i was doing my bridging from Electrical to get my comms cabling license, I asked my lecturer where it should stop.. Thinking specifically of the case of my Ham radio APRS iGate sitting at work, where we went DDS -> router -> switch -> server -> modem -> radio -> antenna cabling -> antenna.  The lecturer’s take on it was that as it was all going over the PSTN, then ALL cabling needed to be done by a licensed cabler.

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> yes, even if its only access to the pstn/internet is by one single pc which has wireless to the modem/router, its all required to be done by someone with a structured cabling endorsement.

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> Nanny state bullshit, yes... but thats the Aus Govt for you, hopefully Malcolm will include this in his review of unnecessary regulations, but somehow think certain business elements will argue against this.

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