[AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs? Getting my foot in the door?

[Graeme Allen]

At one time they used the word "Legacy" as a weapon against Nortel, Lucent, et al. The thing about empires is they rarely learn from history. What's a Novell certified engineer worth these days?




On 23 December 2014 20:48:42 GMT+11:00, "Andy S." <ciscoarc7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>I think they have revamped their CCIE now (version 5) which I am
>gunning
>(slowly) towards.
>
>One of their bigger change is replacing Frame Relay with DMVPN. Also it
>is
>now virtualised and I read it somewhere according to Cisco, it enables
>them
>to do 20-ish routers (always changing) topology and can make it more to
>"real-world".
>
>This hopefully enough to iron out those textbook CCIEs.
>
>I just remember one of my mate told a story about one particular CCIE
>doing
>"switchport trunk allowed vlan xxx" instead of "switchport trunk
>allowed
>vlan add xxx" and caused an outage. Companies losing money (according
>to
>him. It's a stock trading company). Though it's weird they needed more
>time
>to address where the issue was.
>
>Regards,
>Andy
>
>On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Michael Wheeler <
>michael at michael-wheeler.org> wrote:
>
>> Hopefully their exam simulation stuff improves. Twice now I've done
>an
>> exam and you do something slightly unexpected that's not covered by
>the
>> text book (but would satisfy the question requirements) and the
>simulation
>> completely breaks. And not in the since of the network stops working,
>the
>> actual simulation software does things that just repeats the same
>command
>> over and over again without letting you enter in any input. Naturally
>the
>> exam moderator where I do my exams doesn't even know how a router is
>meant
>> to react nor knows how to tell Cisco that their sim is faulty so I
>get a
>> failed exam and down a bunch of my own money. In the end I just rote
>> memorized the solution off some website command for command so that
>the
>> friggin sim wouldn't crash. Yes I feel dirty doing it that way which
>is why
>> after that cert I haven't done any exams (even though I covered the
>> material).
>>
>> Interested to see the future of network/communications
>qualifications...
>>
>> On 23 December 2014 at 17:12, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au>
>wrote:
>>
>>> On the topic, Cisco have identified textbook CCIE’s as an issue,
>they are
>>> in the process of redoing all their certification tests to better
>align
>>> with real world skills, with a lot more simulations and lab tests
>and a lot
>>> less multiple choice etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know the CCNP TSHOOT exam has been redone as all simulation
>situations
>>> with real equipment configurations etc, I know CCNP SWITCH and ROUTE
>were
>>> pending the changeover when I last did any of them (a year ago
>roughly)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it’s a very good idea and I’m glad that it is happening,
>>> certifications are not worth a lot if you can hold one without
>actually
>>> understanding what you have learnt….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ayden Beeson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf
>Of *Cameron
>>> Ferdinands
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 December 2014 6:05 PM
>>> *To:* Skeeve Stevens
>>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Work experience in networking/telecoms/DCs?
>>> Getting my foot in the door?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's my one of my favourite interview questions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Whats your favourite routing protocol?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There only wrong answer is reading a line from a textbook, if you
>love
>>> RIP tell me why you love RIP! What's good about it? What's bad about
>it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:58, Skeeve Stevens <
>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yup.. had about a dozen last year.  And then even if they do have
>good
>>> theoretical knowledge, the other thing missing is experience, common
>sense
>>> and product knowledge.  Being a CCIE/NP and not being able to
>recommend a
>>> switch model is annoying (for me).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>
>>> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>>
>>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> On 23 December 2014 at 08:54, Peter Tiggerdine
><ptiggerdine at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think we've all being in that interview (or heard second hand)
>with a
>>> textbook CCIE and when pressed can't seem to explain the simple
>things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> experience is where it's at.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Scott Weeks
><surfer at mauigateway.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com wrote:
>>> From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
>>>
>>> Then I would have a look at real work experience,
>>> not certification boot camps..
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> I wish more folks did this instead of starting off
>>> interviews with cert-style questions, which seem to
>>> only test rote memorization skills.
>>>
>>> scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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