[AusNOG] NBN Services (Business TC2) and MBE cutoff?

Wed Dec 10 21:39:57 EST 2014

On 10/12/2014 3:31 PM, Tony wrote:
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> Of course I am just reading the documentation, not sure who you go to for definitive answer. I would guess the provider of your service, but sometimes it's hard to get an answer out of them too.
Why wouldn't the documentation be definitive?
The documentation you point to at
http://telstrawholesale.com.au/nbn/exemptions/index.htm and
http://telstrawholesale.com.au/nbn/cease-sale/index.htm plus
http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/information-for-business/fixed-line/what-networks-will-be-replaced.htm
seems definitive enough to me!

For definitive answers, that would be:
a) the provider of your copper-based service, if not Telstra (If they don't know,
question why you are using them)
b) Telstra, as the copper-based network infrastructure you're trying to retain
c) Your NBN Co rep, as the infrastructure you will be migrating sooner or later to.

As for the impact of ULL-based services on VDSL2 vectoring - the broad thinking is
that ULL-based Special Services are likely to be primarily located in business
precincts, while Vectored VDSL2 (Vectoring isn't slated to be introduced for a couple
of years after the non-vectored FTTN is initially deployed, from memory) will
primarily be deployed in residential areas, and business areas will be caught up near
the end of the program. If this broad generalisation holds true for a while, then
things like SHDSL and EOC services won't interfere greatly with VDSL2 due to
separation-by-suburb.

I'm wondering why this seems to be such a mystery to service providers - the situation
around copper migration and special services hasn't changed much since late 2012, 2
years and counting now.

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> regards,
> Tony.
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> From: John Cafarella <john.cafarella at aapt.com.au>
> To: Tony <td_miles at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: Steven Crockett <steven at crox.com.au>; "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 December 2014, 13:44
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Services (Business TC2) and MBE cutoff?
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> Gents,
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> This may help to clarify: 
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> http://telstrawholesale.com.au/nbn/cease-sale/index.htm
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> John Cafarella
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> AAPT Field Operations, Southern Region
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> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Tony <td_miles at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
>> Doesn't seem you got any response to this question (or at least not on-list), so I'll bite, even if it just helps spark some discussion.
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>> There is an NBN page on this at:
>> http://nbnco.com.au/campaigns/what-services-will-be-switched-off-disclaimer.html
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>> But it's less than clear on what is NOT going to be cut over in regards to ULL or other services, simply saying:
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>> exceptions to the switch-off are a set of specialised services mainly used by businesses, or phone or internet services that are already provided over fibre, or through a network provided by a building owner, or a cable internet network that's not owned by Telstra or Optus (such as Pivit or OptiComm).
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>> My understanding (from things I've heard) is that pretty much the only thing that WILL be cut over is PSTN/ADSL services. The big gap in my knowledge is what happens with ULL (ie. naked) services from other providers. Given that business SHDSL services are retained and these are essentially the same as ULL ADSL2+ services, I would have to think that ULL services will remain. Same for MBE, it's just a bunch of ULL's mashed together, so if it's staying, no reason for any ULL service not to remain ? They could of course make a distinction between ULL's for residential and ULL's for business and allow one to continue to be ordered and not the other.
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>> The only real reason that PSTN/ADSL services are being cut over is that the govt is paying telstra a bucket of money to make this happen to get some critical mass onto the NBN. Otherwise telstra (and others) would continue to happily offer DSL services at a price cheaper than a comparative NBN service and most people would happily stay with that.
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>> It is being built essentially in parallel to the existing CAN, so there is no requirement to get rid of the copper for duct/pit capacity constraints. This is being addressed by putting in new infrastructure as required.
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>> I agree that some clarification on ULL services would be good, I don't think anyone really knows at this point, especially with FTTN potentially being used. They would then need to either leave the ULL go back to the existing exchange location (for ULL services to continue to work) or they end up stranding any existing ULL based services (ie. the MBE services you're talking about). There could well be a couple of different "rules" depending on what sort of NBN services the area (FTTH, FTTN, HTC, etc).
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>> regards,
>> Tony.
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Steven Crockett <steven at crox.com.au>
>> To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2014, 13:39
>> Subject: [AusNOG] NBN Services (Business TC2) and MBE cutoff?
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>> Long time reader, first time poster ;-)
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>> Two questions:
>> 1.       NBN has released their “business grade” products offering symmetrical bandwidth AVC in 5/10/20/30/40Mbps options with Traffic Class 2 profile for separated and priority traffic configuration.
>> So far as I can see this has been out for several months?!... But none of the major wholesalers are offering TC2 services that I can see… AAPT/TPG, Amcom, Nextgen, Symbio, Telstra have all said no (or can’t point me in the right direction)… and none of the
>> major retail providers seem to be offering these services on their websites.
>> Can anyone help me connect a 10/10M service in Pinjarra in WA on TC2 (it’s a business location for multi-channel voice, and needs QoS and preferably guaranteed bandwidth)???
>> http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/NBN%20for%20Business%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
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>> 2.       A provider also mentioned that services ordered on MBE in areas with NBN connections won’t be cut off when the PSTN lines get disconnected.  So if say an area is slated for cut-off in August 2015, a service ordered on a 2 year MBE contract today is still fine.  This doesn’t sound right – if copper is disconnected, surely this applies to ULL services as well (why maintain part of a network?), or are there some exemptions that apply to ULL services, and if so – any indication on how long these may hang around after NBN switchover?  In the absence of readily available business grade NBN services (and given the high cost of 1:1 NBN services in metro areas where MBE services are substantially cheaper)… MBE still looks like a good option, I’m just not sure if the provider is telling a porky when I’ve seen no publicly available information about ULL services continuing?
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>> Appreciate any feedback or comments directly or indirectly!!
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>> Thanks
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>> Steven Crockett
>> Datacom Systems (WA)
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