[AusNOG] "Telcos back internet piracy crackdown"

Sun Aug 31 14:37:22 EST 2014

Well if I was a member of the Comms Alliance I would be cancelling my
membership right about now.

I hope they have consulted their members as to what they are happy about
proposing and they are happy with it.

They shouldn't even be supporting such a model... this is going to cost
ISPs hundreds of thousands of dollars in managing this process... even
smaller ones who will need not only staff, but processes, hardware, etc
etc..

...Skeeve

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On 31 August 2014 14:05, Ben Grubb <bgrubb at fairfaxmedia.com.au> wrote:

> Have a read of the submission:
> http://www.smh.com.au/cqstatic/10al1w/CA%20response%20to%20Online%20Copyright%20Infringement%20Consultation%20Paper%20August%202014.pdf
>
> iiNet is a member of the Communications Alliance although they are
> preparing their own separate submission I understand.
>
> Section 4 of Comms Alliance submission talks of sanctions. It says
> sanctions could be applied to customers but only if done through a
> third-party body, which they're saying should be a court. They say
> sanctions should "not include interruption to or termination of internet
> services". Whether that's a penalty/fine or something else is not known.
> Village and others want the sanctions to include slowing down but haven't
> advocated for termination of late.
>
> *What Could an Australian Industry-Agreed Scheme Look Like?*
> Without seeking to pre-empt any discussions between rights holders and
> ISPs, - and
> bearing in mind the 10 factors listed in the Summary of this submission –
> it is possible
> that an agreed Australian scheme could look like the following:
>  an educational ‘notice and notice’ regime, with ISPs sending up to three
> notices, escalating in severity, to account holders whose account had been
> identified as having been used for improper file sharing;
>  these notices would be sent under the right holder’s brand (or that of a
> single
> rights holder entity or association, or under the Government’s name);
>  the notices would include contact details for the rights holder, to
> prevent
> large volumes of customer queries being directed to the front-of-house
> operations (contact centres) of ISPs;
>  the scheme would involve all ISPs (down to a minimum size to be
> defined), to
> ensure industry-wide compliance and so as not to distort the market via
> customers transferring their business away from ISPs participating in the
> scheme to those not participating;
>  the scheme would include an independent third party (e.g. a
> judicial/regulatory /arbitration body) to provide oversight;
>  the third party body would have the power to apply meaningful sanctions
> (to
> recalcitrant ‘repeat infringers’ i.e. those who have received 3 notices
> within
> an agreed specified period – *but such sanctions would not include *
> *interruption to or termination of internet services;*
>  the third party body would also operate an appeals process for customers
> who believe they have been wrongly accused of infringing;
> costs associated with the scheme would be borne by rights holders on the
> basis of the ‘beneficiary’ pays principle;
>  an education campaign directed to both the impacts of online
> infringement
> and how to source legal content
>  continuous improvement on availability and cost of online content to
> Australian consumers
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Ben Grubb
>
>
> On 31 August 2014 13:54, Skeeve Stevens <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> <rant>
>>
>> I saw this article as well and immediately thought 'bullshit' and written
>> by a journo or editor looking to stir things up...
>>
>> I doubt ANY ISP would actually back the piracy crackdown.  It also says
>> iiNet supports it which would be a reversal of their previous policy.
>>
>> The problem with this whole bullshit is that they are using the excuse of
>> child porn, terrorism and copyright infringement to guilt everyone into
>> putting a mechanism in place to have absolute control over the Internet in
>> Australia
>>
>> We know what happens when government departments do when they don't have
>> a clue ala s313. (
>> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/391441,asic-admits-to-lack-of-technical-knowledge-in-s313-use.aspx)
>> and we saw the complete joke of an attempt of government ministers trying
>> to explain what metadata meant.
>>
>> Companies like Village Roadshow are jumping on the bandwagon to do
>> nothing more than try to protect their massively unjustified costs. I was
>> in Kuala Lumpur the other day and saw Expendables 3 for MR16 (AU$5.40) and
>> in Singapore the same would be AU$10.50, Cambodia is about AU$4.50, with
>> most other countries in the region.  Even the US most cinemas are $5 or
>> more less than Australia.  All the cinemas I've been to from the above
>> countries as well as Beijing, Seoul, Hong Kong and others are better
>> facilities than anything I've been to in Australia.
>>
>> Everyone claims Australia are the worst in the world when it comes to
>> piracy... but perhaps there is a direct correlation to us being the most
>> screwed on price in the world. We all know that the ACCC and others have
>> been chasing the likes of Apple, Microsoft, Adobe and others over their
>> 'Australian Tax', especially on digital products which cost no more to
>> deliver.
>>
>> My issue is that is all these proposed changes are being pushed forward
>> by bodies with an interest in protecting their own needs - nothing about
>> protecting anyone else.  The whole terrorist and child porn argument is
>> completely crap those who do these kinds of things are using network that
>> are very hard to track them down.  Only the idiots are using the public
>> internet and they will get caught due to their own stupidity.
>>
>> What annoys me the most is that all these stupid organisations are
>> pushing with an agenda that is ultimately going to make their own lives
>> even more difficult.
>>
>> If anything has taught us by how people have used the internet in
>> countries where it has attempted to be shut down and controlled is that the
>> people will find a way.
>>
>> Their push on enforcement will develop new protocols, new encryption for
>> anything they break and new networks to anonymise ourselves even
>> further.... using tools which will make the lives of these organisations
>> even more difficult than ever before.
>>
>> They do this.. when we even more move to VPN's... then encrypted VPN's...
>> behind things like TOR making it forever impossible to know what anyone at
>> all is doing.
>>
>> Maybe this is a good thing... when ISPs truly cannot see what their users
>> are doing because it is all encrypted, maybe then they will leave us
>> alone... and look back and realise they did this to themselves.
>>
>> But in the mean time they're going to make us spend a lot of money on
>> somethings that will ultimately be useless.
>>
>> Personally I will be encouraging everyone I know to subscribe to an
>> off-shore VPN services or other services come up.
>>
>> </rant>
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>
>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>
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>> On 31 August 2014 12:36, Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/telcos-back-internet-piracy-crackdown-20140830-10a8i9.html
>>>
>>> "The country's biggest telecommunications companies are willing to block
>>> their customers from accessing overseas websites hosting pirated movies and
>>> music despite concerns harmless sites could also get caught by the filter.
>>> Telstra, Optus, iiNet, Vodafone and other internet service providers are
>>> also ready to negotiate a scheme that would punish internet users who have
>>> received three warnings to stop downloading content illicitly."
>>>
>>> Anybody got a link to the submissions? It seems fairly contrary to past
>>> positions some SPs have stated, and reads more like what Village Roadshow
>>> would accept as a compromise position.
>>>
>>> It also sounds to me like a bit of FUD from Village Roadshow that 900
>>> 000 people's livelihoods are impacted. That's more people than those who
>>> work in most industries in Australia. Chicken Little much?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2014/February/Employment-by-industry-2012-13
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