[AusNOG] Data retention definitions

[Mark Newton]

The group of businesses in this forum will only be tasked to store the data if the proposal gets up.

The proposal is less likely to get up if there is a broad campaign against it.

You're talking about post apocalyptic practicalities. I'm talking about showing leadership to make sure the war doesn't start in the first place.

   - mark



On 29 Aug 2014, at 16:52, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au> wrote:
> 
> As the group of businesses that will be tasked to store and provide this data, the
> 'What' and the 'How' are uniquely in scope for this group to comment on and attempt to
> influence - nobody else has the expertise and experience to address these aspects.
> The 'who' and 'why' are of course important to debate as well - but there is a broader
> cross section of civil society, political groups and others from outside the comms
> industry that are questioning those aspects, to help amplify the message.
> 
> Haveametaweekend.
> 
> P.
> 
>> On 28/08/2014 11:16 AM, Pinkerton, Eric (AU Sydney) wrote:
>> The problem as I see it, is that it's not this breadth of access (Who) or the reason for the request (Why) that is up for discussion here, but simply content that these requests can and should entail...the 'What'.
>> 
>> We are therefore faced with a private debate about 'What' is retained, when perhaps the crux of the problem and the source of unease is the Who and Why behind these requests.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton
>> Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 9:23 AM
>> To: Paul Brooks
>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Data retention definitions
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Keep in mind this is a first draft at a discussion paper about what they want to ask for,
>> It is not a first draft.  It is an abbreviated version of the document they distributed secretly to ISPs in 2009/10.  Significant parts of it are word-for-word identical.
>> 
>> Make no mistake:  This is a policy which is coming from AGD, not from our elected representatives.  The Department is indifferent to who their A-G is.  i.e., the policy remains the same regardless of who we vote for, there is no realistic democratic choice being presented to the electorate.  If there's another election tomorrow, and the Coalition loses, this policy will survive unscathed.
>> 
>>  - mark
>> 
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