[AusNOG] metadata conference on SkyNews

[Beeson, Ayden]

"AGD wants it so that there's plenty of data for the copyright industry to subpoena, and so that the AFP will be able to more easily track down anyone communicating with journalists, such as leakers within the public service or operatives from minor political parties."

+1 this. Though they deny it, the user -> IP listing is the ONLY thing they don't have to start directly harassing people for Copyright infringement notices sent from the US media companies.

Brandis has been shown to be getting various perks from those companies too, funny how this comes along shortly after a few big statements from him about it.

But it's easier to lie about it and claim "terrorism prevention" than it is to say "we are invading every person's privacy because some US media companies don't want their clients to potentially have to downgrade from the G5 to the G4 jet (obligatory south park reference inserted here for dramatic effect)"

That's not to say I support copyright infringement or anything but it's not a compelling reason for this sort of stuff to start happening on a nationwide scale.

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton
Sent: Monday, 11 August 2014 11:23 AM
To: Peter Tiggerdine
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] metadata conference on SkyNews


On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:10 AM, Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com> wrote:

> What I thought was insightful was that on insiders yesterday Dennis Atkins said that NSA had access to metadata in the US and said it was of very little use to catching any threats homegrown or otherwise.
>
> So the real question is if the NSA believe it's pointless what credibility does the so called experts from the AFP and ASIO have?
>
> This to me based on the NSA review begs the question what do you they really want this information for?


The AFP and ASIO are happy to tell all kinds of lies to justify it, because they want unfettered access to everything on general principles.

Atkins is right, to the extent that the data is supposed to be used to catch terrorists. It isn't. It's supposed to be used to answer questions like, "We can see that mail server 203.x.y.z relayed email containing an unredacted version of a document that was FOIed last year to a Crikey journalist at 2:35pm last Wednesday. Who sent the message it was relaying?"

It's wholesale domestic surveillance of everybody because AGD is scared witless about Snowden emulators.

  - mark


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