[AusNOG] metadata conference on SkyNews

[Tom Berryman]

>> Telephone numbers might be somewhat accurate analogues for individuals, as there is one phone number per device, and they're not NATted by the carrier or the end-user. The same cannot be said about Internet protocol identifiers.

PABX? Surely an office phone system is the analogue NAT?
Though all but dead now.. yet I can't really think of any that stored for 2 years the mapping of when what internal user made what external phone call for how long...

Tom


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>Clearly if you need source and destination of every packet then sFlow just doesn’t cut the mustard.
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No network identifier 'cuts the mustard'. They identify a host, or an application the host is using, but not the person behind the device. And in the case of IPv6, they can change periodically, as they have been on Windows boxes every 8 to 12 hours or so.

Telephone numbers might be somewhat accurate analogues for individuals, as there is one phone number per device, and they're not NATted by the carrier or the end-user. The same cannot be said about Internet protocol identifiers.

For cases of copyright violation, US courts have determined that IP addresses is not a person, so why does the crime of terrorism make that any less false?



>Also as clear (to us, if not them) if you’re NOT collecting said ‘meta data’ on every single packet then why bother capturing any?
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>Or are you hoping to capture every N-th terrorist plot, kiddie-porn-ographer or other bogey-man of the moment?
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