[AusNOG] Dealing with global route views

Sat Aug 2 21:37:08 EST 2014

Indeed!

Sadly no AU network has probably enough pull to force even one lowly tier1
to do that :(

Beyond OP, but would be interesting to see the ideas of making  BCP38
happen!

On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:30 PM, James Braunegg <james.braunegg at micron21.com>
wrote:

> Dear Joshua
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>
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> If the entire world of network operators simultaneously implemented BCP 38
> globally - http://www.bcp38.info the Internet would be a much cleaner
> place stopping the ability of spoofed traffic being generated which is the
> key component in launching a Distributed Reflection Denial of Service
> (DRDoS) attacks.
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> Kindest Regards
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> *From:* Joshua D'Alton [mailto:joshua at railgun.com.au]
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:14 PM
> *To:* James Braunegg
> *Cc:* Andrew Yager; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Dealing with global route views
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> Unfortunately The Internet has seen a jump in DDoS capability in the past
> year or so that hasn't been meted, generally, by an increase in mitigation.
> IE DDoS is winning, at the moment :(
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> The specificity of the current attacks ought to be able to be addressed by
> the tier1s/major players, however doesn't seem to be!
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> Might be a different topic for this, or if people can PM information they
> have on this (not having found much on nanog etc), I'd be interested!
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> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:00 PM, James Braunegg <
> james.braunegg at micron21.com> wrote:
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> Dear Andrew
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> This week has been “crazy” for DDoS attacks with SSDP amplification
> attacks being the flavor of the week internationally, so I can understand
> your “pain”
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> A key part of isolating yourself from “back ground noise” is the ability
> separate Domestic Transit and Peering from International transit and if you
> can International peering using BGP communities.
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> Both Vocus and Pipe support BGP communities, however in both cases I
> highly recommend contacting the NOC for up to date communities as upstream
> providers change all the time and the NOC of each provider can provide
> great assistance in “tuning” your service.
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> That being said
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> Examples of Vocus (AS4826) communities can be found here (not all
> communities listed )
> http://tools.vocus.com.au/additionals/communities2.2.html
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> Examples of Pipe (AS 24130) communities can be found here (not all
> communities listed)
> https://lg.pipenetworks.com/PIPE%20Networks%20AS24130%20BGP%20Routing%20Policy.pdf
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> With reference to influencing outbound traffic I highly recommend creating
> route maps or using software such as http://www.noction.com/
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> Depending how far you want to engineer your network you can also get very
> “funky” with your own international upstream providers and say establish
> GRE tunnels back to Australia and if you can justify it your own capacity
> across cable systems which can be used independently from your current two
> upstream providers.
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> Alternately this is also a perfect example of how useful having a backup
> on demand IP transit provider on a service such as Megaport which allows
> you to turn on / off a service on demand within minutes if required, use a
> bit of SDN and you could automate the entire process upon detecting issues!
>
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> Hope that helps, happy to provide more information if you require it.
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> Kindest Regards
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Yager
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2014 7:23 PM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* [AusNOG] Dealing with global route views
>
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> Hi All,
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>
> Coming to the end of a couple of long weeks, and brain is a bit fried.
>
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> For the last few days we've had issues where one or other of our two
> primary internal upstreams has had DOS attacks affecting their connectivity
> on foreign soil (i.e. connectivity via Level 3 is borked, or connectivity
> via he.net is borked), which has adversely affected our ability to reach
> certain parts of the world, and conversely their ability to reach us.
>
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> In both cases we don't really want to drop either transit provider
> completely as the domestic performance we get from them both is good.
>
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> On another day my brain might see this really clearly, but just can't get
> my head into it for now.
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> Can we:
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> a) adjust our internal preferences accurately enough to influence our
> outbound traffic to prefer one or the other in particular, operator driven
> scenarios
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> b) influence our rest of the world traffic to avoid he.net or level 3
>
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> … and how?
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> I believe one of our upstreams (Vocus) will honour some "do not advertise
> here" communities (but I don't know where the list is), but I suspect the
> other (PIPE) will not?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
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>
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