[AusNOG] NBN Co Petition

[Kris Price]

14 POIs was too few. 200 might be a smidge too many, but wouldn't it be better to treat this as two separate problems, and look at it then as "whats the appropriate place for POIs from a network/cost perspective"?
 
Problem 1: is replacing the copper access network with a wholesale, open fiber access network.
 
Problem 2: is ensuring adequate competition for backhaul/backbone connectivity to remote areas.
 
Deal with these separately. Work out what the right design for an access network is, deploy that, then work out where you also need to provide backhaul services to make that accessible to more providers. That way providers with their own networks can use them, providers wanting to locate content locally (caching, CDNs) can do so, and at the other end of the spectrum providers that want NBN Co to do everything for them and to just be a billing service in between an NBN handover and a transit provider can do that too. And someone who thinks they can run fiber to a region cheaper, and offer better backhaul service than National Backhaul Co can do that too.
 
At a guess, given the size of Australia, I would say the right number of POIs is closer to 100 than 14.
 
On the topic of resiliency being discussed. Should we consider that two is usually not enough of anything when stuff goes really wrong? Shouldn't a major area like Sydney to stay online have more than two POIs?
 
On the topic of power over copper keeping the lifeline available -- this sounds important to some. Wouldn't we be better to recognise how critical mobiles have become, and how much of an amazing step up this is over the landline for disaster situations? When i am sitting on a roof surrounded by floodwater, or laying under a collapsed building - its the mobile i have in my pocket not the landline on the wall I will be reaching for.* In which case shouldn't we put our focus on how to make our mobile networks more resilient?


* have actually been in a life threatening situation where all landlines in the area were down, mobile was only option, so I don't quite comprehend the fascination with landlines
 

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On Sep 10, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Phillip Grasso <phillip.grasso at gmail.com> wrote:

> can we petition they be rid the idiots that suggested and the other idiots that agreed to a poi per metro. Its brilliant strategy if your an incumbent wanting to make it high entry cost to compete on a national rsp perspective, but a royal pain in the behind if you're < tier 1, 1.5 carrier.  I suppose 200+ is better then 5000+
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> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Chris Hurley <chris at minopher.net.au> wrote:
>> Super fast train has been on the books for 30 years :-( but every Tom, Dick and Harry once the route is laid out says, “Not in my back yard”. Small pressure groups have derailed 99% of rail projects. I can tell you of one major project that got screwed by 1 person saying to the authorities you can’t have 1m of my back yard no matter how much compo you offer. So guess what 10’s of thousands of people have a sub standard rail link.
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>> On 11/09/13 2:36 PM, "Paul Wallace" <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au> wrote:
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>> Why not?
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>> I know a few people who believe that the building super high speed trains between all capital cities would be the right thing to do by the people that cannot fly.
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>> I'd bet you could get 135k people to sign a petition demanding that proposal be supported too!
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>> But I like to fly so personally I don't wish to pay further tax to fund it.
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>> -P
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>> On 11/09/2013, at 2:18 PM, "Chris Gibbs" <Chris.Gibbs at gosford.nsw.gov.au> wrote:
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>> Hopefully not…..
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>> From: Paul Wallace [mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 2:14 PM
>> To: Nathan Sullivan
>> Cc: Chris Gibbs; AusNOG (AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net)
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Co Petition
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>> Those who sign will be asked to pay for the build!
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>> On 11/09/2013, at 1:36 PM, "Nathan Sullivan" <nathan at nightsys.net> wrote:
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>> Hopefully they will take notice soon... the count seems to be steadily going up (135k currently)
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>> http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn
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>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Chris Gibbs <Chris.Gibbs at gosford.nsw.gov.au> wrote:
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>> Basically a petition requesting the Coalition keep NBN Co the way it has been setup to deploy FTTP.
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>> Not sure if/when the Government will take notice…….
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>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-10/university-student-petition-to-scrap-nbn-takes-off-online/4949372 
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>> Cheers,
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>> Chris
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