[AusNOG] GoodBye NBN

Sun Sep 8 01:22:57 EST 2013

Out of interest, and since it's somewhat topical, what's your experience
with the Singaporean filtering/Internet censorship system ?

Colin Stubbs | Equate Technologies
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On 8 September 2013 00:16, Nathan Gardiner <ngardiner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Speaking from the experience of having had residential "1Gbps" fibre in
> Singapore for the last 2+ years on a similar network (the NGBN as they call
> it or known by the moniker OpenNet) I always feel like I am ruining
> christmas when I tell people of my experiences with the technology, but
> here goes anyway.
>
> The network is obviously more financially viable here in Singapore. Just
> like in Aus, there's been issues with takeup due to landlords not liking
> the fibre conduits, etc within the premises or just not accepting the deal.
> Most people are in high-rise so of course there's body corp issues too.
> Getting it retrofitted later is both expensive and still requires
> permission which causes all sorts of issues.
>
> Given it's a GPON network you effectively have the 1Gbps fibre strand into
> an ONT which provides GigE ports, so the oft quoted number of 1Gbps is as
> true as you'd expect, although very few RSPs provide plans that cover that
> and for probably very good reason.
>
> Off my ONT I get phone, TV via a STB and Internet. There is noticable
> slowness in peak hours as compared to offpeak for many although I would say
> I don't have many complaints in that area. This should be expected with
> GPON and it's why I'm not really a fan of these speed comparisons that
> people like to do as they don't quite work that way. There's all sorts of
> issues we still deal with from RSPs from transparent proxying to traffic
> shaping, which exists for most RSPs given Singapore, like Australia, is an
> island with somewhat limited/expensive connectivity to US/Aus/Europe.
>
> Now to the bit I was getting to. Most people I know here are
> technologists, and most are happy to stick with their ADSL or Cable
> service. ADSL2+ is fairly prevalent and even where it isn't, people already
> have cable STB and very few people use home phones so there's little value
> add there. You pay a premium, not a huge one but a premium nonetheless for
> fibre plans.
> The NGBN was pushed here the same way the large, free wireless system
> across parts of the island was back 5+ years ago, by the IDA (Infocomm
> Development Authority) as a major breakthrough in providing access to all
> sorts of new technologies and ways of doing business across the island.
> Consider that Singapore has a proportionally high level of technology aware
> citizens, a national broadband network, and a high rate of phone app
> developers etc etc which could benefit from this.
>
> Years later - zip, zilch, nada. If there was you'd know about it and you'd
> know why you wanted this technology so bad. Yes the ubiquity of
> connectivity is great but fibre isn't really going to the most remote
> places so that can't be the point. Yes I get fast internet, no cap,
> reasonable shaping but on a volume level I could achieve anything I do
> today on ADSL2+. For the STB, there's HFC cable. Pay TV is expensive enough
> that I don't use it, anyway.
>
> This rant could go on but I'll cut it short just to say that I don't see
> the value of this technology being particularly in line with the cost of
> the deployment, and can't see why the phased deployment couldn't be
> structured to replace the actual ageing infra and not rip up the whole lot.
> Perhaps I'm missing the point and perhaps these great new technologies will
> eventually emerge - but perhaps they won't, like the IDA's wireless
> deployment which is useful now only to tourists as everyone else has more
> flexible 4G LTE (or whatever the interim standard is).
>
> TL;DR - it's a lot of money for the same interwebs and the novelty wears
> off pretty quick
>
>
> Cheers
> Nathan
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>wrote:
>
>> Do you really believe that fibre offers a silver bullet, zero down-time,
>> crackle free, drop out free, 100% perfect outcome?
>>
>> Where on Earth does this preposterous suggestion come from?
>>
>> The undisputed truth of the matter is that the (copper based) PSTN
>> network in Australia has been super reliable for decades. Personally I'm in
>> my 50's and cannot remember (possibly due to age) the last time my dial
>> tone failed!
>>
>> By contrast my VoIP service crackles, fails in all manner if ways, never
>> actually rings but sounds liked it's ringing and otherwise offers no
>> competition if the test is going to be based solely on 'availability'.
>>
>> So could you PLEASE help my old Mum understand why she needs a tradie to
>> attend her home to pull cables, then figure out which VoIP handset to buy,
>> then which RSP to choose, then accept that it has wrinkles that's she's
>> never previously conceived ... just because the ALP continues to assert
>> that it's imperative that we spend billions on getting rid of something my
>> old Mum is 100% happy with!!
>>
>> HFC is perfectly suitable for script kids to download their stuff and if
>> it only occurs at 40Mbs and not at 41Mb (due to coming to them from the USA
>> ((despite their GigE NBN connection)) then they should just wait the extra
>> few seconds.
>>
>> These same kids invented 'butt chugging' because they couldn't even stand
>> waiting the few minutes it takes to get drunk outa their minds on a Sat
>> night .. and now they're controlling politics!
>>
>> All this from a crowd that cannot even BEGIN to focus on the real issues
>> such as solving the problem that ZERO tourists can land via aircraft in
>> Sydney for 17% of every single day of every single week! Instead they're
>> going to spend all of our money on moving the Navy from Garden Island to
>> QLD.
>>
>> Gimme a break!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone powered by Polyfone Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 07/09/2013, at 9:48 PM, "wingar at team-metro.net" <wingar at team-metro.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It’s not just WA that gets it. Anywhere even semi-rural get’s it.
>>
>> ~Em
>>
>> *From:* Jacob Bisby
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 7 September 2013 9:46 PM
>> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>
>> Nevermind the internet access, fibre would have solved the primitive
>> land-line phone call quality problems that plague my area and it's
>> surrounds in WA.
>>
>> - Jacob
>>
>> On 7/09/2013 7:39 PM, Tim March wrote:
>> > You won't need to worry about connecting to the NBN if you can't suss
>> > out how to correctly configure your CPE anyway =)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > T.
>> >
>> > On 7/09/13 9:37 PM, Daniel Watson wrote:
>> >> Well its offical
>> >>
>> >> For those of you who are not watching (Not that i am, i glanced over)
>> >>
>> >> Rudd 49,  Abbott 79
>> >>
>> >> I think its time to buy my airline ticket out of here...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> D.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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