[AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
Brad Evans
brad at delion.com.au
Tue Oct 15 17:35:44 EST 2013
So I remove my 10x cross connects and replace it with 1. That is lost
revenue, quite a bit.
Sure, in reality it may not be that extreme, but it's no doubt going to
cut into a pretty high margin product.
-Brad
On 15/10/2013 5:26 PM, Daniel Watson wrote:
> Reading over this thread throughout the day, it seems to me that
> people are forgetting that you still need the cross connect within the
> DC to get connected to MegaPort's switching within the DC, so you
> would still have to pay that $225/month or what ever fees you have
> worked out with the DC in question.
>
> D.
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>
> I'm curious how the datacenters feel about potentially losing all this
> cross connect revenue. It has to be a pretty fair chunk of their
> profit. We all know that it doesn't cost $225/month (>$8k over 3
> years) for 50m of fibre to sit in a tray, but we know that that 10Kva
> of redundant, protected power and cooling is worth every cent we pay
> for it.
>
> I think Macca raised a reasonable point... everything on 1 physical
> port is crazy. But everyone else has made the obvious conclusion that
> Megaport[S] open up some fantastic options for us all. How exactly
> does the service work if we take 2 ports? Are they aggregated or
> active/standby ? Is it the same cost to take up the 2nd port?
>
> Cheers
>
> -Brad
>
>
> On 15/10/2013 5:10 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>> Hey Brent,
>>
>> I don't think it removes the cost of cross-connects, but it certainly
>> makes it a hell of a lot cheaper.
>>
>> From what one of the guys at MP told me, intra-dc will be $100/mth...
>> which when you look at places like Equinix which does Fibre at
>> $290/mth - this will essentially third that for permanent connections.
>>
>> I'm not sure of the final numbers, but Bevan mentioned $20/day (as
>> opposed to $200/mth) if you only want a short term connection up and
>> running.
>>
>> The trick here will be for Megaport to automate this so smoothly that
>> VxC's are brought online VERY quickly.. perhaps even have non-active
>> pre-provisioned ones (with VLAN's, etc) between two points, ready to
>> come up at a moments notice.
>>
>> The datacentres these Cross-Connect fee savings will help massively
>> will be places like Globalswitch with their insane install costs,
>> ongoing monthlies and maze of suites run by different people with
>> different rules.
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Brent Paddon <brent.paddon at gmail.com
>> <mailto:brent.paddon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Absolutely. To be honest I see it as just another crossconnect -
>> we already have a number of customers in both GS and Equinix
>> directly connected. This will just make it a bit easier
>> (removing cost of internal xconnects) and make it easier for us
>> to sell (and buy from) others in DC's that we dont have a current
>> presence in (eg S1, etc). Bring it on I say :)
>>
>> Bevan disrupting the status quo (his specialty I think) ... :)
>>
>> Brent
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Brent,
>>
>> You guys going to offer any of your products on Megaport VxC?
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Brent Paddon
>> <brent.paddon at gmail.com <mailto:brent.paddon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Its certainly going to change the way we all buy (and
>> sell) services to each other. Definitely going to break
>> down the current somewhat high inter-DC connectivity costs.
>>
>> I think the model that they've come up with is a winner
>> and I'd be awfully surprised if there isn't a significant
>> amount of traffic (mainly on the VXC's) pretty
>> shortly...as soon as the rollout has reached that
>> critical mass.
>>
>> I expect to see a LOT more connectivity between people
>> (especially for those selling aggregation ports /
>> last-mile access products), transit, cloudy stuff, etc.
>> The current pain-in-arse of being in different DC's is
>> pretty much going to go away. Heck, we all know what the
>> cost of cross-connects _inside_ DC's is like at the moment.
>>
>> I also think that forcing people to go 10G is a smart move.
>>
>> We have our testing port up and running in Equinix - but
>> yet to do any VXCs. Hopefully bringing on a Brisbane port
>> shortly.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> Brent Paddon
>> Director
>>
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>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Macca,
>>
>> I know you say unaffiliated, but I also know this
>> product of Megaport directly competes with Vocus
>> fibre to a certain degree.
>>
>> Let's be honest... we're not talking running things
>> over peering here... I really don't see any quality
>> difference running a VLAN over layer 2
>> Vocus/AAPT/Pipe/others and Megaport... sounds more
>> like a scare tactic to be honest. Unless you have
>> insight that you would like to share (honestly, I'd
>> like to know)
>>
>> If we are talking dark vs. layer 2, then I would
>> agree.... but I am also not suggesting everyone run
>> absolutely everything over one Megaport connection...
>> go dual feeds if you want.. I am sure they'd sell it.
>> But... I see something interesting here, and I see
>> it as the future of how inter-dc connections will be
>> one - whether it is Megaport, or Vocus or Pipe get in
>> on the game too... I see it as a great idea.
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, McDonald Richards
>> <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au
>> <mailto:McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>> All my mission critical services on the one
>> physical port and cabling? I can't wait!
>>
>> Macca
>> (unaffiliated in this context)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> OK all,
>>>
>>> The time is arriving for DC-Virtual
>>> Cross-Connects to become a useful part of our
>>> ISP lives.
>>>
>>> Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre providers
>>> who choose to replicate the model, the Megaport
>>> one is what we've got at the moment, and we
>>> might as well start using it.
>>>
>>> I've been having a few discussions with people
>>> about buying connectivity (not just transit)
>>> over the Megaport VxC fabric, but I am not sure
>>> if anyone out there has productised the selling
>>> of products over the VxC fabric.
>>>
>>> I know people like Amazon AWS will now allow you
>>> to connect to them over Megaport with a Direct
>>> Connect... and that is great.
>>>
>>> What I am looking for are some transit providers
>>> who are on, or getting on Megaport, who will
>>> sell either Transit or Wholesale services over
>>> the fabric.
>>>
>>> I was at an event recently, when Jason Ashton
>>> said that he was willing to do BigAir wholesale
>>> interconnects over Megaport - and that is an
>>> awesome start. What I would love to see is
>>> people like AAPT, iSeek, M2 and others be able
>>> to sell more wholesale tails over this fabric.
>>>
>>> Transit should be an easy one. for $200
>>> intrastate between any connected DC's, with
>>> capacity up to the connection of your pipe (10Gb
>>> or 100Gb), I see people selling transit as a
>>> no-brainer.
>>>
>>> If you are doing this and want to announce it
>>> here, awesome... or if you don't want to
>>> announce yet, but happy to let me know - I will
>>> keep it quiet until you are ready to announce it.
>>>
>>> Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX, Equinix
>>> Peering - have you thought of connecting to
>>> Megaport for the VxC, so people can actually use
>>> the Megaport fabric to get onto your IX as well?
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
>>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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