[AusNOG] LDAP / AD Configuration on SuperMicro IPMI Devices

Sat Nov 30 18:56:21 EST 2013

At the risk of weighing into something which is already the abject fracas
we get everytime someone posts something that isn't an abnormal traceroute
and a request for the relevant NOC to contact them off list;

Networking is the art/science/parlour trick of connecting things. That
involves connections, and things. We have an OSI reference model that I
joked about before but I'm now going to be so ballsy as to refer to
seriously. It more or less defines networking and while I understand there
are some bloody hard-hitters on the AusNOG list, I'm going to do a 10
second refresher on TAFE Certificate III / CCNA at a cheap CBD "college" /
Testking network engineering.  Apologies that it's reversed but can we not
have that religious war while we're currently having this one, it'd
decrease the already short time to *STOP THREAD*

1 - Physical - Copper wires and crap and glass unless it's a pro/anti NBN
fatwa
2 - Datalink - MAC addresses and LLC and crap
3 - Network - what about 80% of what the AusNOG list considers to be
on-topic, the "connecting" when we talk about "connecting things"
4 - Transport - what about 90% of the posts to the list that fall into a
black hole are about unless they relate to flow control or collision
avoidance
5 - Session - Tolerated on list provided it's tunnel encryption related?
I'm not even sure.
6 - Presentation - Hells no
7 - Application - despite the fact that this is the "things" that we mean
when we talk about "connecting" things, this is where all the butthurt and
pistols at dawn crap happens

Skeeve is right (as usual), but he doesn't realise how right he is. SDN is
using layer 7 and 6 of the OSI reference model to control layers 5 through
to 2. It will increasingly become part of "connecting things" which we all
do for a living and we all use AusNOG resources to discuss. There's already
unintelligible screaming when the networking conversation drifts into the
bits of networking that people don't consider *real* networking, I can only
imagine with the sort of guilty glee you get when you see an 8 car, 2 bus
crash on the other side of the carriageway, what it'll be like when SDN and
other technologies interrupt the mix even further.  The list needs a
serious look at itself about its feelings on what is actually networking
and what is the alchemistry practised by neckbeards and what's going to
happen when fields of knowledge and understanding merge and split in
different ways. The "if it doesn't relate to what happens when packets
leave my ASN and go into this other ASN it's not networking" thing is going
to leave people looking really, really, really, silly and we don't have
anything like a 10-year horizon to wise-up.

Christ, we sound like scientists yelling at each other about whether
economics is a science or whether the only sciences are physics and some
bits of chemistry.

GG

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Daniel Watson <daniel at glovine.com.au>wrote:

>    Yep. ive created a new domain for lists,
>
>  aussielists.net
>
>  will have NOG, Sysadmins   anything else people can recommend
>
> D.
>
>      ------------------------------
> *From:* Skeeve Stevens [skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:28 PM
> *To:* Chris Bennetts
> *Cc:* Daniel Watson; Michael Andreas Schipp; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net;
> moderators at ausnog.net
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] LDAP / AD Configuration on SuperMicro IPMI Devices
>
>   Chris, I disagree with your interpretation of this statement.
>
>  All,
>
>  'network operators' use many technologies to manage their networks,
> including services, devices, appliances and so on.  With the way networking
> is going (SDN), there will be far more servers involved in the
> infrastructure than ever.  Your argument might be that it doesn't matter
> what it is about, but that it relates to 'networking'.  I also disagree
> with this (should you assert it).
>
>  There are many aspects to operating a 'Network Operator', much includes
> areas such as: policy of local and regional bodies (i.e. TPP, APNIC), some
> politics (i.e. policy, NBNCo), legal (i.e. interception, laws, legal
> requirements), business matters (who can offer me....), relationships (I am
> trying to find someone who does)....
>
>  ...and servers...  many areas of which could relate to monitoring,
> accounting, load, hardware requirements related to PC platform routers/SDN,
> out of band, and so on.
>
>  I think that being a "network operator" encompasses many things... As
> for what seems to be a generic question on Server tech... I don't know, but
> the line gets very blurry in many areas, and we should be erring on the
> side not being so trigger happy for the 'off-topic' call... sometimes a
> persons question may not have a clear context.
>
>  Simply... if people don't know an answer to something, they should just
> shut up and ignore it, rather than polluting the list with responses about
> how the thread is off-topic. If it wasn't relevant to the list, it would
> just disappear into the ether, but lately there is a storm of replies...
> (like I am doing now I suppose).
>
>  People could also do a lot more replying off-list.  If you don't think
> something is appropriate - why do you feel the need to say it in front of
> 2000+ people (I am learning this).  Just reply directly as I have had many
> people do to me over the years.
>
>  David... You are a Director and Moderator, but your 'go try SAGE-AU' and
> your 'Strike 2' emails could also have been sent off-list rather than
> provoking further useless discussion.
>
>  Others response for 'lmgtfy' are also better sent directly.
>
>  I agree with the moderators trying to keep the list on topic as much as
> possible... But I think everyone just needs to relax a little before this
> list does indeed Jump the Shark and outlive its usefulness to people who
> are sick of the whinging and others who might be afraid to post for fear of
> being slammed.
>
>  (Fully said in the knowledge I have contradicted the above in the past -
> but trying not to anymore).
>
>  ...Skeeve
>
>
>
>
>   On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Chris Bennetts <chris at chipa.org> wrote:
>
>   Perhaps some people need to read the intro lines on the AusNOG website
>> and mailing list pages: “The AusNOG Mailing List is an informally moderated
>> mailing list providing a forum for the discussion of technical and
>> operational information by network operators.” – Network, not server
>> operators.
>>
>
>
>   ...Skeeve
>
>  *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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>
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