[AusNOG] "It's like grandfather's axe"

[Beeson, Ayden]

It's less about infallibility and more about accountability.

If you can definitively look at your connection and say "look its down" or "look, its giving me 10mbit instead of 100mbit then that's a massive step up from where we are today.

As was said, it's all the "Up to" and "maximum" that is the issue.

Unfortunately, the FTTN technology is still littered with those references due to the way the technology scales across distance.

I've often explained it to people who don't understand the difference as similar to Digital vs. Analogue TV. If you have fibre and it works, it'll just work, whereas ADSL is like analogue TV, you can get a picture, but sometimes it is so bad you may as well not have it at all.

Barring all the little quirks and problems it can have obviously but those are negligible compared to xDSL.

Honestly, I'd be happy to get a 10-20mbit fibre service, while I would love the extra speed that a proper 100mbit connection will bring (plus the upload!) as long as I could say for certain that it'll just work and when it doesn't, I can ring an ISP and not play the blame game between the line, ISP and my gear.

Thanks,
Ayden Beeson


-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Paul Wallace
Sent: Friday, 22 November 2013 12:50 PM
To: Mark Delany; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] "It's like grandfather's axe"

My power company fails very regularly in the rain actually!

It also regularly sends spikes + brown outs all over.

During the Jan 25, 2013 storms in QLD the power went off for 6 days in at least one place.

No SLA.

No refunds.

No apology.

Then when they brought the power back up there was a massive surge yet no compensation for equipment ruined by power variations.

I don't follow the point that's trying to be made via this thread frankly, .. sure copper isn't perfect or infallible what but technology is? .. maybe the old POTS telephone service in everyones home in the good old days. An 'infallible' media has not been invented yet so I wish this thread would end. I.E. 'Infallible' is simply not going to come to us via microwave, fibre, copper, Free Space Optics, ... EVER probably.

-P









-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark Delany
Sent: Friday, 22 November 2013 11:36 AM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] "It's like grandfather's axe"

> > Doing that between exchange and where Abbott lives might be more
> > productive

In all seriousness one of the biggest benefits of a 21st century NBN is removing "best effort" and "up to" as escape clauses for providers of the infrastructure.

If my electricity company sold me a supply that was "up to" 240V but somewhere between 0 and 83V when it rains, we'd laugh at the absurdity.

So whatever comes out of this latest NBN review and consequential changes in technology, if it includes a QOS component that holds providers accountable, that will remove one of the major concerns with re-using the existing copper network.

And I mean a real, measurable QOS. How hard can it be to have the customer-side NTU have a builtin QOS monitor? If the QOS light is red the provider has a fault to fix. Simple.

After all, if in 2020 we have "upto" 100Mb/s VDSL, but down to 0MB/s when it rains with zero recourse, how much better off are we?


Mark.
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