[AusNOG] Mynetfone outage?

Thomas Jackson thomas at thomax.com.au
Fri Nov 15 21:18:25 EST 2013


We had some problems earlier today as well. Previously, we were connecting
to sip10.mynetfone.net, but their DNS is now returning NXDOMAIN for that.

After a swap to sip01.mynetfone.net, it seems to be working again - my best
guess is that someone did a "tidy-up" of their DNS and removed some "unused"
entries.

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Jason
Clarke
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 5:45 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] Mynetfone outage?

Hi,

Is anyone experiencing issues with mynetfone.

We cannot currently make or receive any calls and I cannot get a hold of
business support - it just rings out.

Thanks,

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 12:00 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: AusNOG Digest, Vol 21, Issue 32

Send AusNOG mailing list submissions to
	ausnog at lists.ausnog.net

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net

You can reach the person managing the list at
	ausnog-owner at lists.ausnog.net

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than
"Re: Contents of AusNOG digest..."


Today's Topics:

   1. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
      (Mark Newton)
   2. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
      (Geordie Guy)
   3. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
      (Mark Newton)
   4. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
      (Damian Guppy)
   5. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
      (Mark Newton)
   6. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
      (Julian DeMarchi)
   7. Re: TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs
      (Skeeve Stevens)
   8. Pipe Networks | TPG (Andrew McLeod)
   9. Re: Pipe Networks | TPG (Alex Samad - Yieldbroker)
  10. Re: Pipe Networks | TPG (Ross [Eve IT])


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:03:03 +1100
From: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
To: Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
	ISPs
Message-ID: <422BE176-1A2B-4328-B1F7-A5F3C6C98012 at atdot.dotat.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1


On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to the US
on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for comment as
this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new government will
have a different position.

"Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?

I'd expect everyone on this list to do it.  It's hard to see how it's
possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.

If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do it for
you?

  - mark





------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:16:17 +1100
From: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>
To: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
	ISPs
Message-ID:
	<CAHTNzfmDdBTByEvZDS=en0fn5_Sp60hZ=sfL67k1CodsZJMK1Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

What's Turnbull got to do with it?


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:

>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to 
> > the
> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for 
> comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new 
> government will have a different position.
>
> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
>
> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it.  It's hard to see how it's 
> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
>
> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do 
> it for you?
>
>   - mark
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20131114/f9844541/atta
chment-0001.html>

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:18:20 +1100
From: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
To: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
	ISPs
Message-ID: <D0B852B5-BEF0-4D51-9A62-663D476BE351 at atdot.dotat.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1


On 14 Nov 2013, at 3:16 pm, Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com> wrote:

> What's Turnbull got to do with it?

DFAT doesn't operate in a vacuum.

But you're right, it's Andrew Robb's bailiwick.

  - mark



------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:19:07 -0800
From: Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
To: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>, Mark Newton
	<newton at atdot.dotat.org>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
	ISPs
Message-ID: <-664463593992144822 at unknownmsgid>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  I was thinking an industry body or tech journo would be better than little
old me. Turnbull because he is comms minister and ISP issues would be best
addressed by him to cabinet.

Sent from my Windows Phone
 ------------------------------
From: Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com>
Sent: 14/11/2013 12:16 PM
To: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
Cc: Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for ISPs

What's Turnbull got to do with it?


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:

>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to 
> > the
> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for 
> comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new 
> government will have a different position.
>
> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
>
> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it.  It's hard to see how it's 
> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
>
> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do 
> it for you?
>
>   - mark
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20131113/a373d649/atta
chment-0001.html>

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:21:07 +1100
From: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
To: Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
	ISPs
Message-ID: <71BC6A53-0412-4B46-8240-7D23111CE7C8 at atdot.dotat.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


On 14 Nov 2013, at 3:19 pm, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was thinking an industry body or tech journo would be better than little
old me.

It isn't an either/or.

> Turnbull because he is comms minister and ISP issues would be best
addressed by him to cabinet. 

Local member, Robb and Turnbull would be best recipients.  They aren't
either/or either.

   - mark


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20131114/25fc2b02/atta
chment-0001.html>

------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:22:33 +1000
From: Julian DeMarchi <julian at jdcomputers.com.au>
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
	ISPs
Message-ID: <52845009.7000805 at jdcomputers.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 11/14/2013 02:19 PM, Damian Guppy wrote:
>   I was thinking an industry body or tech journo would be better than 
> little old me. Turnbull because he is comms minister and ISP issues 
> would be best addressed by him to cabinet.

Does the AusNOG board have the capacity to issue something on behalf of the
ISP industry?

Maybe we as a community could form a group to come up with a group response
to this if AusNOG is not able too?

--julian



------------------------------

Message: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:15:43 +1100
From: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
To: Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] TPP Leak - AU opposes potential safe harbour for
	ISPs
Message-ID:
	<CAEUfUGPCFu2BrXd8H2wAEbG49mo52FEJL6VDNqBGwXJfSdNGGA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Maybe approaching the industry bodies?

AIIA
ISOC-AU
ACCAN
others.


...Skeeve

*Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com
; www.eintellegonetworks.com

Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve

facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;  <http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
linkedin.com/in/skeeve

twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com


The Experts Who The Experts Call
Juniper - Cisco - Cloud


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:

>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to 
> > the
> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for 
> comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new 
> government will have a different position.
>
> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
>
> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it.  It's hard to see how it's 
> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
>
> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do 
> it for you?
>
>   - mark
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20131114/6b6bb8a3/atta
chment-0001.html>

------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 06:03:00 +1000
From: Andrew McLeod <AMcLeod at sanitytechnology.com.au>
To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: [AusNOG] Pipe Networks | TPG
Message-ID:
	<6FA5D08D-EA1A-492F-B1FC-C99850CE5AED at sanitytechnology.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

TPG seems to be experiencing another international outage this morning.
Similar thing experienced yesterday afternoon.

Curiously when doing a test from
route-views.oregon-ix.net<http://route-views.oregon-ix.net>, a traceroute
and ping to www.pipenetworks.com<http://www.pipenetworks.com>'s IPv4 address
failed whilst the IPv6 address was reachable.

6
10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net<http://core1.pao1.he.net/>(184.105.2
22.173) 65.583 ms 64.043 ms 64.161 ms
7
10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net<http://core1.sjc1.he.net/>(72.52.92.1
14) 68.897 ms 69.169 ms 69.390 ms
8
tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net<http://core1.sjc
1.he.net/> (72.52.66.22) 234.312 ms 234.511 ms 234.468 ms
9
syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au<http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.
au/>(203.26.22.21) 233.917 ms 234.083 ms 234.199 ms
10 * * *
11 * * *

Regards,
Andrew

On 14 Nov 2013, at 2:31 pm, "Skeeve Stevens"
<skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetwork
s.com>> wrote:

Maybe approaching the industry bodies?

AIIA
ISOC-AU
ACCAN
others.


...Skeeve

Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com> ;
www.eintellegonetworks.com<http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/>

Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve

facebook.com/eintellegonetworks<http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks> ;
<http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
linkedin.com/in/skeeve<http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve>

twitter.com/theispguy<http://twitter.com/theispguy> ; blog:
www.theispguy.com<http://www.theispguy.com/>

[http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png]

The Experts Who The Experts Call

Juniper - Cisco - Cloud


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton
<newton at atdot.dotat.org<mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org>> wrote:

On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy
<the.damo at gmail.com<mailto:the.damo at gmail.com>> wrote:

> Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to the US
on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for comment as
this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new government will
have a different position.

"Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?

I'd expect everyone on this list to do it.  It's hard to see how it's
possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.

If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do it for
you?

  - mark



_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20131115/6d548d0d/atta
chment-0001.html>

------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:11:51 +0000
From: Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>
To: Andrew McLeod <AMcLeod at sanitytechnology.com.au>,
	"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Pipe Networks | TPG
Message-ID:
	
<A3FB5D9FD28C50429DF7692DC31054E6066C967F at DC1INTADCW8201.yieldbroker.com>
	
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

>From OS, one of our guys is OS? started about 6:00 am for us

11  be2072.mpd22.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.226)  194.873 ms
    be2068.mpd22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.158)  206.991 ms *
12  be2022.ccr22.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.2)  481.611 ms
    be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.10)  421.093 ms
    be2067.mpd21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.162)  950.917 ms
13  38.104.210.10 (38.104.210.10)  958.569 ms
    be2022.ccr22.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.2)  1468.733 ms
    as7545-tpg-telecom.demarc.cogentco.com (38.104.82.130)  754.401 ms
14  * * 38.104.83.194 (38.104.83.194)  1729.311 ms
15  * * *
16  * * *
17  * * *
18  * * *
19  * * *
20  * * *
21  * * *
22  * * *



From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew
McLeod
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 7:03 AM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] Pipe Networks | TPG

TPG seems to be experiencing another international outage this morning.
Similar thing experienced yesterday afternoon.

Curiously when doing a test from
route-views.oregon-ix.net<http://route-views.oregon-ix.net>, a traceroute
and ping to www.pipenetworks.com<http://www.pipenetworks.com>'s IPv4 address
failed whilst the IPv6 address was reachable.

6
10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net<http://core1.pao1.he.net/>(184.105.2
22.173) 65.583 ms 64.043 ms 64.161 ms
7
10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net<http://core1.sjc1.he.net/>(72.52.92.1
14) 68.897 ms 69.169 ms 69.390 ms
8
tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net<http://core1.sjc
1.he.net/> (72.52.66.22) 234.312 ms 234.511 ms 234.468 ms
9
syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au<http://syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.
au/>(203.26.22.21) 233.917 ms 234.083 ms 234.199 ms
10 * * *
11 * * *


Regards,
Andrew

On 14 Nov 2013, at 2:31 pm, "Skeeve Stevens"
<skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetwork
s.com>> wrote:
Maybe approaching the industry bodies?

AIIA
ISOC-AU
ACCAN
others.


...Skeeve

Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com> ;
www.eintellegonetworks.com<http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/>

Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve

facebook.com/eintellegonetworks<http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks> ;
linkedin.com/in/skeeve<http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve>

twitter.com/theispguy<http://twitter.com/theispguy> ; blog:
www.theispguy.com<http://www.theispguy.com/>

[http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png]

The Experts Who The Experts Call
Juniper - Cisco - Cloud

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton
<newton at atdot.dotat.org<mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org>> wrote:

On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy
<the.damo at gmail.com<mailto:the.damo at gmail.com>> wrote:

> Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to the US
on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for comment as
this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new government will
have a different position.

"Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?

I'd expect everyone on this list to do it.  It's hard to see how it's
possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.

If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do it for
you?

  - mark



_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20131114/f4646b3c/atta
chment-0001.html>

------------------------------

Message: 10
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:39:14 +1100
From: "Ross [Eve IT]" <ross at eve-it.net>
To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Pipe Networks | TPG
Message-ID:
	<CAODA=KEfNzYhkhJhBJi6s2qyV-Y=9550Yi=B8cyHEQHY5_LRvg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Yep, saw that too.

AEDT
15/11/2013 05:57:09AM
15/11/2013 06:47:09AM
Total downtime:  50m




On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Andrew McLeod <
AMcLeod at sanitytechnology.com.au> wrote:

> TPG seems to be experiencing another international outage this morning.
> Similar thing experienced yesterday afternoon.
>
> Curiously when doing a test from route-views.oregon-ix.net, a 
> traceroute and ping to www.pipenetworks.com's IPv4 address failed 
> whilst the IPv6 address was reachable.
>
> 6 10gigabitethernet11-4.core1.pao1.he.net(184.105.222.173) 65.583 ms
> 64.043 ms 64.161 ms
> 7 10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sjc1.he.net(72.52.92.114) 68.897 ms
> 69.169 ms 69.390 ms
> 8 tpg-internet-pty-ltd.10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.sjc1.he.net
> (72.52.66.22)
> 234.312 ms 234.511 ms 234.468 ms
> 9 syd-sot-ken-crt4-ge-9-1.tpgi.com.au(203.26.22.21) 233.917 ms 234.083 
> ms
> 234.199 ms
> 10 * * *
> 11 * * *
>
> Regards,
> Andrew
>
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 2:31 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe approaching the industry bodies?
>
> AIIA
> ISOC-AU
> ACCAN
> others.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd 
> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>
> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>
> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;  <http://twitter.com/networkceoau> 
> linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>
> twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
>
>
> The Experts Who The Experts Call
> Juniper - Cisco - Cloud
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Mark Newton
<newton at atdot.dotat.org>wrote:
>
>>
>> On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:06 am, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Disappointing that Australia seems to come across as the lap dog to 
>> > the
>> US on these issues. Hopefully some one reaches out to Turnbull for 
>> comment as this draft was made under the last government, maybe a new 
>> government will have a different position.
>>
>> "Someone" -- So you're reaching out to him?
>>
>> I'd expect everyone on this list to do it.  It's hard to see how it's 
>> possible for ISPs to exist in the absence of a strong safe harbor.
>>
>> If you're not putting forward the case, who else do you expect to do 
>> it for you?
>>
>>   - mark
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AusNOG mailing list
>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>


--
Regards,

Ross Tsolakidis
IT Architect


*Eve IT Pty Ltd*
http://www.eve-it.net <http://www.eve-it.com.au/>
*1300 65 77 75*
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20131115/a5d9d317/atta
chment-0001.html>

------------------------------

Subject: Digest Footer

_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog


------------------------------

End of AusNOG Digest, Vol 21, Issue 32
**************************************
_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
--
Message  protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content
filtering.
http://www.mailguard.com.au




More information about the AusNOG mailing list