[AusNOG] You down with 313? Yeah you know me! Who's down with 313? The D-B-C-D-E!

[Daniel Cross]

The reference to my experience with MPAA/RIAA was simply to relate to the
issue, and to make a comment on the fact that in that case, these
organisations would send through a request via email.  Plaintext email is
an insecure communication.  These messages could be intercepted and altered
or blocked.  It is also a trivial matter to spoof an email.

I feel like your case of dealing with a cyber bully is different to
blocking content available to the public, however in this case I would hope
that there be better options than blocking the bullies IP, such as a
restraining order; police charges; termination of the users account with
their ISP etc, all of which deal with the matter actively against the bully
as an individual.


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:

>   I can't tell if you are suggesting so or not but MPAA/RIAA would not be
> able to issue a Section 313 request based on my basic interpretation of the
> legislation (i.e. they are not Australian agencies that protect public
> revenue or enforce law).
>
>  BUT a thought that came to mind would be if I had a "cyber-bully" who
> happened to be coming from a static IP address, I could potentially take
> the complaint to my local police station, and that police station issue a
> section 313 request to the owner of those IP's to stop that user getting
> online. Potentially.
>
>
> On 31/05/13 12:52, Daniel Cross wrote:
>
>   It's been a while since I worked in an ISP, but I remember MPAA/RIAA
> requests coming through via email, which back then we regularly just
> binned.  Which in this regard has been making me wonder....
>
>  How are these requests even verified to be real? How are they submitted?
> How are they recieved? Is there a secure communication channel? Who, within
> an ISP, has the authority to authorise the requests?  Is an ISP bound to
> secrecy?  If not, would they please publish all domain and/or IPs blocked,
> as well as their policy for dealing with such requests.  If they are bound
> to secrecy, I think this needs to be pushed and highlighted.
>
>  This is a serious concern.  Independant oversight and transparency should
> be top of the list here.  An immediate refusal from ISPs to honour these
> requests if they can not verify and publish would be an appreciated move
> also.  I'm all over the forehead slapping here.
>
>  Daniel.
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Jared Hirst <
> jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:
>
>>  And that they needed to ‘discuss’ if Asio was at the last night
>> meeting….
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
>> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *James Hodgkinson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:58 PM
>> *To:* Narelle
>> *Cc:* AusNOG
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] You down with 313? Yeah you know me! Who's down
>> with 313? The D-B-C-D-E!
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't help but laugh when the guy said "helpful minister is being
>> helpful" :)
>>
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 May 2013 21:45, Narelle <narellec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mate.
>>
>> We're *all* over this one.
>>
>> See www.isoc-au.org.au for my last press release.
>>
>> What's needed?
>> In one word: oversight.
>> Oh and another: reasonable.
>>
>> Not to mention precision, justifiable....
>>
>> But please folks, don't just jump if you hear the words "national" and
>> "security" in a sentence.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Narelle Clark
>> President
>> Internet Society of Australia
>>
>> On May 30, 2013 1:59 PM, "Tim March" <march.tim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Worth a watch for those who followed the ASIC/Over-blocking issue a few
>> weeks back...
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s91RKbmk-fM
>>
>> Via @SenatorLudlam
>>
>>
>>
>> T.
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