[AusNOG] Pipe/Equinix Peering Costs

Joshua D'Alton joshua at railgun.com.au
Sun May 5 00:36:38 EST 2013 

I don't know, TPG's v4 is pretty messed up.

As a side note, has anyone recently compared commercial and/or residential
providers in AU with the aim of measuring the quality (ie routing) vs cost
and availability? Might be a little out side the scope of what Skeeve is
after, but not too far removed.

Looking briefly at it I think ironically Dodo has the best routing of any
residential ISP, and on par with the gang of 4/5/6, while TPG seems the
worst of the gang of 4/5/6 even with being 2nd or 3rd on international
capacity ownership (i say 2nd perhaps because Optus is not a sole AU
provider, so it has an advantage).


On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Alex Wilson <nikosai at gmail.com> wrote:

> You should try looking at the v6 routing around the place. Especially any
> v6 routes that involve TPG. It's a unique experience that makes the v4
> routing all look perfectly sensible. :)
>
> -Alex
>
>
> On 04/05/2013, at 11:45 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
> I love how iPrimus peers with AARNet direct, but to get to
> mirror.aarnet.edu.au it goes to Pipe Brisbane, then to AARNet, and I
> think then back to Sydney.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Brett Wagstaff <bwtricky89 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Should have a look at traceroutes from primus, they're more assuming.
>> Leaves primus via pipe in sydney and then enters into their equinix link
>> then onto TPG. Either someone has broken something, or stupid peering
>> policy kicking in..
>>
>> 4 xe-0-0-1.csr03.mel.iprimus.net.au (203.134.24.241) [MPLS: Label 665632
>> Exp 0] 12 msec
>> 5 as7545.sydney.pipenetworks.com (218.100.2.40) [AS 18398] 28 msec
>> 6 irb-5.bsr01.equ.iprimus.net.au (210.50.143.163) 24 msec
>> 7 nme-sot-dry-crt2-Gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au<http://nme-sot-dry-crt2-gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au/>(203.12.162.238) [AS 7545] 24 msec
>>
>>
>> On 3 May 2013 17:46, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Less of a problem than all international traffic returning via PPC1,
>>> adding a good 60ms to eastbound. And unfortunately the routing policies
>>> don't seem to differ between residential and commercial (dsl and fiber),
>>> though I don't know of any AU provider that does (maybe AAPT before they
>>> sold residential?). What exetel do with traffic is interesting too, it
>>> might indeed be as Skeeve suggests, the death of pipe peering...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Brett <bwtricky89 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You could always do what TPG are current doing and having all PIPE
>>>> traffic return via Sydney regardless of state it originates from. It's
>>>> quite lovely with what they come up with..
>>>>
>>>> 1 vl102.cor2.mel6.on.ii.net (150.101.212.246) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
>>>> 2 gi2-0-0.bdr1.mel6.on.ii.net (150.101.210.138) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec
>>>> 3 te2-0-0.bdr1.cbr1.on.ii.net (150.101.160.173) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec
>>>> 4 xe-0-0-0.cr1.cbr2.on.ii.net (150.101.33.84) 12 msec 8 msec 8 msec
>>>> 5 ae2.br1.syd4.on.ii.net (150.101.33.22) 36 msec 12 msec 12 msec
>>>> 6 p7545.syd.equinix.com (202.167.228.79) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec
>>>> 7 nme-nxg-wal-crt2-ge-6-0-0.tpgi.com.au (202.7.162.53) 12 msec 12 msec
>>>> 12 msec
>>>>
>>>> 1 gi1-20-102.cor1.adl6.on.ii.net (203.16.215.14) 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec
>>>> 2 xe-11-0-0.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net (150.101.225.229) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
>>>> 3 ae4.br1.syd7.on.ii.net (150.101.33.34) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec
>>>> 4 as7545.sydney.pipenetworks.com (218.100.2.40) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec
>>>> 5 nme-sot-dry-crt2-Gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au<http://nme-sot-dry-crt2-gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au/>(203.12.162.238) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3 May 2013 14:03, Luke Iggleden <luke+ausnog at sisgroup.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Skeeve + List,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm interested in routing policy for each connected peer. Did anyone
>>>>> provide insight into how they are electing egress paths?
>>>>>
>>>>> We local pref equinix due to least cost, however, we seem to have a
>>>>> lot more ingress flows via pipe peering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are operators local preffing pipe peering over equinix or vice versa
>>>>> or are you just letting as-path length decide?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're letting AS-PATH decide what is your tie breaker condition
>>>>> (if you have one?)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29/04/13 9:50 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More pricing has been added/updated... thanks for the info all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those who were getting a 404.. Welcome to the world of IPv6...
>>>>>> whoops.. I was using the wrong IP damnit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>>> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com <mailto:skeeve@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com>>
>>>>>> ;
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Skeeve Stevens
>>>>>> <skeeve+ausnog@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hey all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     OK.. after a pile of responses about peering prices, and almost as
>>>>>>     many asking for me to share the info I collected...  I've put it
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>     a blog post for all to access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     If you have any information about peering pricing that you wish to
>>>>>>     share with me privately, but don't mind me adding to the post...
>>>>>>     then let me know and I will update it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     http://theispguy.com/**peeringpricing/<http://theispguy.com/peeringpricing/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Later, I might turn this into a resource that I keep updated.  At
>>>>>>     the moment working on a project to document all Australian
>>>>>>     datacentres/tail providers... but be patient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ...Skeeve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>>>     skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:skeeve@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com>>
>>>>>> ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Juniper - Cisco - Cloud
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Skeeve Stevens
>>>>>>     <skeeve+ausnog@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
>>>>>>     <mailto:skeeve+ausnog@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Hey all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         If possible, I am wanting to find out how much Pipe and
>>>>>> Equinix
>>>>>>         peering costs at the moment for 100mb and 1Gb links.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         I know there was some price drops a while ago, but not sure
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>         the current buy price is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         I could wait till Monday and ask them, but I have to write
>>>>>> some
>>>>>>         recommendations up over the weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Please feel free to reply to me off-list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         ...Skeeve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>>>         skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:skeeve@**eintellegonetworks.com<skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com>>
>>>>>> ;
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>>>>>> eintellegonetworks.com/ <http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Juniper - Cisco - Cloud
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>>>>>>
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