[AusNOG] IPv6 - What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

[Don Gould]

Hi Bill,

Sorry I should have better qualified my statement.

I'm quite sure I could get native v6 on dialup at this address as well 
if I really put some effort in.

Going from 100/10 to 10/1 would be just like moving from broadband to 
dial up as far as I'm concerned.

I have to weigh up my need for v6 v's my need to spin up a new Linux box 
in 10 minutes or throw a 5Gb VPS image from here to somewhere else, 
without it impacting the other users on the network, phones, alarms and 
other services.

In Wellington the HFC network is wholesaled because they have a 
different network configuration which makes that possible.

With out question I would have just changed RSPs to SNAP or DTS or one 
of the other leading v6 providers.

D

On 6/03/2013 10:01 p.m., Bill Walker wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> You can get native IPv6 at your address, 31 Acheson Avenue, Mairehau,
> Christchurch City, so this statement isn't correct.
>
> "The only provider in my area can't deliver it at all on their platform."
>
> I checked (http://www.chorus.co.nz/service-availability-tool) and you
> can get ADSL, in which case you are able to procure a DSL service from a
> few NZ ISP's that offer native IPv6.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:23:00 +1300, Don Gould wrote:
>
>> On 6/03/2013 1:58 p.m., Mark Newton wrote:
>>> If the members of this list had started low-key activities back in
>>> 2011 when APNIC's last-/8 policy commenced, they'd be done by now,
>>> the staff working on it would have received ample on-the-job training
>>> about how it works, and the additional cost they'd have incurred
>>> would have been pretty minimal.
>> How can I put this really tactfully?  RUBBISH!
>>
>> I did exactly this.
>>
>> I discovered that some of my software providers have no interest at all
>> in the space.
>>
>> Some of my hardware suppliers have bug after bug fix for v6 in the past
>> 12 month.
>>
>> The only provider in my area can't deliver it at all on their platform.
>>
>> I've looked at 3 different hardware vendors for edge gear.  The price
>> point in all cases is 50% higher than v4 gear.
>>
>> To fix my software problem, which is FLOSS, I'm going to have to write
>> it myself, which means a truck load of learning.
>>
>> I've bounced emails with any number of the leading experts in the world
>> - yes Geoff and Owen I'm looking at both of you...  why?  Because I
>> couldn't just find simple answers on wikipedia like I can for v4 for the
>> stuff I need... don't even get me started on PTR issues that I still
>> don't have a clue what to do with.
>>
>> Mark I don't have you ability.  I don't have your skill level, but I
>> don't think I can be accused of not giving this stuff a good go and I
>> keep running at it.
>>
>> We have to stop saying this stuff is simple.  It's not!
>>
>> In the SMB space we have dozens of different small systems with decades
>> of v4 learning with software systems that are really really mature -
>> read 40 years v's this v6 stuff which is still being thrashed out and
>> clearly dozens, hundreds or even thousands of us are just not across yet.
>>
>> If it was simple then my provider would already be delivering me native
>> v6 on their last BRAS update 18 months ago.
>>
>> D
>
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