[AusNOG] IPv4

Sun Mar 3 22:17:19 EST 2013

Skeeve,

I have 30, yes 30 staff in Kochin India down in Kerala with my outsourcing
company (astraeanetworks.com), a THIRD world country, how dare you judge me
based on not even knowing me. So I should say WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING??
You only have 7 staff….I have 30, pick up your game?

I like you have trained them in networking, design, hosting management and
many many other things that the western wordd has and they they can only
dream of ever learning. I have sent them equipment and also pay DOUBLE the
average wage so that their family can eat and sleep at night. I also
provide a nice office as I am sure you have seen on my facebook, I provide
them with training, trips to Aus and materials that they will NEVER get
from anyone in their country. Is that enough to satisfy you?

India has a truck load of IP’s and I know this first hand because I have a
standard business DSL in my apartment there (yes I go there every 3 months
to see them, train them and give them help and assistance) and it came with
a standard allocation of a /28, so again mis-allocation and training is
causing the shortage. They are NOT aware of the shortage and even worse
they were not aware of IPv6 till we got there and provided training and
equipment for v6.. So keep your smart arse comments to yourself, I have
said the WHOLE TIME I am not fighting for me, I can afford space if I need
it. I am fighting for the likes of SMALL business that make up a massive
portion of Australia’s businesses and ISP’s, those are the ones that cannot
afford to just go and pay $10 -$16 / IP and I am saying that it would be
good IF they could get from APNIC.

I am truly surprised that you have totally judged me this way and done it
on a public list, I now know why so many people don’t post here, it’s like
being thrown into a den of tigers. You should be ashamed mate. Next time
read my past emails and get the story right before having a go at someone.

*From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve Stevens
*Sent:* Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:04 PM
*To:* Joshua D'Alton
*Cc:* AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
*Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] IPv4

Because, like most people, he is thinking only about himself and how hard
done he is being done by.

I far more care about developing nations... look at India.  About 20
million internet users... and hoping to get to 100 million in the next two
years.  Users in China having to 're-connect' to try and get a real IP
address. How the hell are they going to make it happen?  But do you know
what... they WILL, and without too much whinging.

This is akin you you complaining you don't have enough to eat when people
are starving overseas.  Really? Get over yourself and suck it up princess.

You have SO much more potential and ability to come up with creative and
innovative solutions to deal with these situations compared to dozens of
other countries who are struggling with sub-standard infrastructure. You
can afford the equipment and expertise they can only dream of.

I have 7 engineers in Cambodia who work for me.  They live, learn and work
on Australia/Western quality networks. I've trained them up to be the best
engineers in the country. Under my direction, they also donate time in
Cambodia helping KHNOG get started, help ISOC-KH happen, involved in
Barcamps, do training for free at schools like Passerelles Numeriques (
http://www.passerellesnumeriques.org/cambodge/) who train orphans and the
poor into becoming engineers (I've hired 4 of them!).  I've shipped dozens
of peices of equipment to the country to donate to local Cisco training
schools and other places. I also allocate my staffs time to helping
engineers at all the ISPs in Cambodia get better at what they do - because
they very little options to learn how.

I HELP the developing world better its infrastructure... I've put my effort
and my money where my mouth is - What the hell do you do Jared? Or for that
matter, you Bevan, whose squillions could make a HUGE difference... or is
there things you've been doing that I don't know?  I don't have much, but I
give a lot... how many people here have a lot and don't even give a cent?!

SERIOUSLY?!

...Skeeve

*Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd

skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com

Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve

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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>
wrote:

It was depleted over 5 years ago.. Why do you think you deserve space any
more than they do? I'd argue using IPs for cheap VPS etc is almost as bad
as having the IPs routed but not actually past the gateway. In both cases
were the cost $10/IP/mo neither business would be that wasteful, or they'd
just be on v6.

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Jared Hirst <
jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:

+1 to this!

As I said before, I only came into the industry 3 years ago for IP space
and now I am suffering because others are ‘nesting’ on it rather than
handing it back, it’s a shame that so many people have the attitude to just
‘shun’ people like me that are young, have a successful business and did
not have the chance to get more space before it was ‘depleted’ to other
larger providers or other providers that didn’t really need space but got
it anyway. I was not trying to rant before and people really took me out of
context and smashed me for no reason, so I am glad someone has put it in a
nice long email to be clear. Thanks Bevan!

*From: *Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
*Date: *Sunday, 3 March 2013 8:04 PM
*To: *Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au>
*Cc: *"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
*Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
*Resent-From: *Bevan Slattery <bevan.slattery at nextdc.com>

"Basically yes.  But get over it."

Sorry Skeeve, but that's a disgraceful attitude.  Many on this list seems
to think "we're so freakin' smart we went ahead and gorged ourselves on IP
addresses to the detriment of the global community and now we are making a
motza from it.  Sucks to be you for not seeing this coming".

Well here's the news flash – everyone who thinks themselves soooo clever
and smug are frankly obtuse and their level of arrogance disgusts me.  You
think everyone without IPv4 space has only themselves to blame – remarks
that seem to be coming from middle aged people working for providers
greater than 5 years old in a developed economy who have been in the
industry for years.

So Skeeve and others, I'd like to go to Iraq, or Afghanistan or Somalia and
tell them that they have no address space and sucks to be them because they
were too stupid not to see the IPv4 coming. Disregard that it's mainly
because they were too busy fighting a war, trying to find food for their
family or too busy walking kilometres to go to a mud hut with a chalk board
for a "iPad" 5 years ago.

Or how about you go visit people in China and India who have 2,000,000,000
people trying to lift themselves out of some of the lowest wages ever and
despite being so desperate to get connected to the internet to find their
way to "freedom" and information – yes – freedom and information you know
that thing the internet provides (?) and let them know they've despite
having 1/3 of the worlds population you're getting shafted because the
Shinhwa news agency didn't let them know there was an IPv4 crunch coming.
 Dare you to put an ad in the paper and invite all those Chinese people to
who can't connect to come down the "the square" to talk to you about why
they can't.

While you're at it, go into a tech incubator or anyone who is in their late
teens/early 20's who dare to do what we do and start an ISP and tell them
"sucks to be you – I've effectively lied my ass off to APNIC and the other
RIR's to get my hands on a life supply of IPv4 and relied on their pathetic
IPv4 management systems to starve your hard earned start up dollars and
your future while I make huge $$ because I have no conscience! ".

So the plan seems to be "we're going to screw the youth/up and coming
countries and developing countries and sell our IP's to them and IPv6 isn't
going to get traction until they are bleeding out of their noses and they
die on the floor.  Sanctioned extortion effectively.  We're putting a price
on their future and freedom.  How smart are we."

The hubris and arrogance here simply disgusts me and even worse, those that
lied their ass off to steal more addresses than they needed are now playing
mercenary to the future development of our youth or developing countries.
 What makes it worse It's coming from people who are involved in the RIR's
and the lack of compassion and disdain being displayed is frankly beneath
what the internet community is all about.

I expected a lot more from a lot of middle aged people who were all young
once and were given a chance.  Screw your arrogance and hubris.  Get your
head out of your arses and travel the world and see what the power and
freedom the internet and IPv4 provides – at least for the next 5 years and
remember that you too were young once and that the only reason your so
god-damn smart is because he you managed to fallout of a womans uterus in a
lucky country.

If you can't read between the lines call me and I'll make it very clear how
pathetic your attitude is.

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