[AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices

Thu Jul 18 11:57:11 EST 2013

I agree with your perception, hence why the VDSL vs Fiber roll-out, and 
the 2 costs involved in each (claiming VDSL as a cheaper option, but 
slower speeds because that is 'enough') I pick the Fiber roll-out.

The argument is purely on the points made in the presentation on the 
fact of information (That I personally didn't know previously) that 
NBNCo had a large outlay in having these boxes specifically designed for 
them, which also locks them into this hardware vendor.

I agree on the premise that multi ports for multi-use is great, but the 
presentation is highly geared towards doing it cheaper up front. The 
fiber in the ground is what gives us the future commodity of enabling 
more and more speeds as we need, the medium would no longer be the 
limiting factor, and it would be much cheaper to do the single point 
roll-out up-front and a more gradual 'as-needed' rollout on multi-port 
devices over the next few decades.

Again, all just my opinion :).

On 18/07/13 11:44, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker wrote:
> I haven't watched the video, but would like to comment on this reply.
>
> My perception has been in this debate. Is that there is a side that says why
> do we need much more than what we have. People should be happy with
> 20Mb/s what more can you do ...
>
> I think with the amount of money being spent, it should be a case of doing
> It right, still trying to get the best bang per buck, but maybe lowering the bar
> for this project.
>
>  From my understanding once laid fibre's life time is long enough for new
> reasons to use it to emerge
>
> This to me is like building railway lines around Aus or US, industrialisation
> Building highways... etc
>
> But who knows... what is going to turn up around the corner !
>
> Alex
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
>> Joseph Goldman
>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013 11:34 AM
>> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day
>> yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices
>>
>> I thought the same, as someone who currently has 2 NBN RSP's on my NTD it
>> is a good fit and quite easy. My preferred routers are also only ethernet so
>> I'd be locked in to a more limited range of routers that can terminate GPON,
>> or have a deal like I had to do when DSL was my only connection, which is a
>> small single port device to interface with the network (e.g. ADSL Modem)
>> that bridges through to my ethernet router to do the real grunt
>> (NAT/Firewall etc).
>>
>> But on the flip side it is very common for a house to only have a single copper
>> line in, and those rare people who require multiple connections pay for the
>> benefit of doing so through adding a second line, which can run up to $299 at
>> Telstra build-out cost I believe. So given that most dwellings would only need
>> a single provider at any one time, I would say those who are in the specific
>> need for multiple connections would have to pay for a second 'line' like any
>> other customer in current networks.
>> The cost benefit Simon talks about for the majority of households would far
>> outweigh the extra work required for the small minority that would request
>> such a setup.
>>
>> /2c
>>
>> On 18/07/13 11:28, Andrew Jones wrote:
>>> Good presentation, and while my first reaction was to agree with
>>> Simon, the issue I see with this is that unless each dwelling is able
>>> to have multiple strands of fibre delivered, the first RSP to sell a
>>> service has a monopoly on the residence's connections. With the
>>> current NBN design, a second (or third) RSP can use another of the
>>> ports. On the current system with services delivered primarily over
>>> phone lines, we can have second provider on a separate line. I think
>>> that only offering a single GPON handoff to each premises could reduce
>>> competition and increase provider lock-in.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18.07.2013 11:15, Greg McLennan wrote:
>>>> +1 Watch the 20 video.
>>>>   -------
>>>>   On 18/07/2013 11:12 AM, Michael Andreas Schipp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Recommend you spend the 20 min to listen - good stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> FROM: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] ON BEHALF
>> OF
>>>>> George Fong
>>>>> SENT: Thursday, 18 July 2013 10:46 AM
>>>>> TO: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>>> SUBJECT: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day
>>>>> yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you haven't already seen it, here's a link to Simon's thought
>>>>>
>>>>> provoking and challenging presentation at Comms Day. Is NBNCo doing
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>> too hard, too complex and too expensive?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://simonhackett.com/2013/07/17/nbn-fibre-on-a-copper-budget/
>> [1]
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> g.
>>>>>
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