[AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.

[Aqius]

Ross,

I appreciate where you are coming from and if it turns out, as it probably
will, that this is an operational block, then of course block a /8 or do
whatever needs to be done to keep things operational (though be nice to know
on the list promptly when such queries come up), and all of this is a waste
of time.

But if it does come down to something else that affects Australian business
with inappropriate collateral damage, where else? The lack of formal
response and as your own post states 'good luck with that'. Hopefully it's
not something like the recent 'er umm experimental opt in filter' a few
months ago, but if it is something like that it's the exact reason I'd
prefer to see a little discussion encouraged. If someone was involved in
something they felt might be a bit 'un Australian', this kind of convo's
could encourage a little tor and toot, and that's not so bad IMO.

Now I'm happy to acknowledge I'm probably jumping the gun on poorly handled
censorship (the only real reason raised I've queried that line is the
coincidental fact that the block was only implemented by the three); and
certainly if there is a scammy operating fleecing poor Ozzie's of millions,
then fair enough perhaps the least harm is to block the IP in the short term
while things are sorted out; but I'd always prefer to be a little over-eager
on wanting more info for such a scenario, and I don't think that's
unreasonable. 

I absolutely do not agree that MFU and other such businesses should be
inconvenienced by a voluntary or otherwise filter without a good cause.

Never the less, you are right in so far as I should shut up because we will
hear official word next week no doubt ;)

Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Ross Wheeler
Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2013 15:49
To: Danny O'Brien
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
melbournefreeuniversity.org.


> Could someone who has experience dealing with such requests explicitly 
> confirm or deny that the Australian government or judiciary sometimes 
> expects and/or requires Australian ISPs to block IPs or websites as 
> part of their obligations under the law, entirely apart from the 
> voluntary blacklist regime?

Without wishing to appear rude.... which part of ...."cannot discuss
ANYTHING about it to ANYONE" wasn't clear?

*IF* there was anyone here who *DID* handle such requests on *ANY* sort of
basis (daily, weekly, or EVER), they would *NOT* be permitted to say
anything about it - even to confirm or deny the existance of such orders,
much less if they had acted on any.

I appreciate your desire for information, and I'm sure a whole lot of
journalists would LOVE to start a massive sh!tfight over it, if they could
get hard evidence. Which is likely the biggest single reason there is a gag
on anything to do with such orders (if indeed, they exist!).

So please, go ask the people who CAN give you information.
Those here may KNOW the answers you seek, but being ABLE to tell you is a
completely different thing. So who CAN tell you? "The relevant department" 
as stated earlier. (Good luck with that, BTW, and please let us know how you
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