[AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.

Bevan Slattery bevan at slattery.net.au
Sat Apr 13 11:28:32 EST 2013 

Nope ­ wrong.  You get a notice to block.  You block or either get fined, go
to jail or lose your carrier licence.  It is a blunt instrument and it is a
condition of being at "the big boys table" i.e. you're a carrier or a
carriage service provider.  You don't ask too many questions, you don't post
it to Ausnog and have a decision by committee.  You block the IP address as
you are required to by law and you do it immediately.

End of story.

Again, this is a Network Operators List.  We know how this works.  Network
Operators do not complain about this.  This is a legal requirement of being
a Carrier or CSP in this country.  If this was a legal request it was
implemented as planned.

[b]

PS:  If you're complaining that your client has no idea of why their website
is down then instead of pointing the finger at the carriers who are doing
what they are legally required to do, how about you explain to the client
that you failed to adequately explain how "shared hosting" works and that
the impact is sitting on a shared IP address with other sites can be.


From:  Aqius <aqius at lavabit.com>
Date:  Saturday, 13 April 2013 11:08 AM
To:  'Serge Burjak' <sburjak at systech.com.au>, 'J Williams'
<jphwilliams at gmail.com>
Cc:  <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject:  Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
melbournefreeuniversity.org.

As an outsider, this block appears to have been terribly executed.
 
Presuming there is a single site or at most a few that are the cause of the
block, over 1000 other sites have had their business or welfare interrupted.
Blocked since at least Wednesday according to the MFU facebook page.
 
I¹ll leave whether transparency of filtering is appropriate or not, but it
is clear from this event that the process at least needs to be if we are to
have any form of confidence one of us or our clients are going to be safe
from disappearing inappropriately.
 
If the party responsible for implementing the filter was a commercial
business, there would be some significant repercussions. It is entirely
reasonable that the government be subject to the same level of expectations.
 
1.       Was any communication attempted with the hosting provider to target
the site?

2.       Was any communication initiated with other parties that might be
affected?

3.       Will there be reasonable compensation provided to the inadvertently
affected parties, including the hosting provider assuming they have not
contributed to the pain?

4.       If MFU was not affected, how would an inappropriately affected
client know and how would they see it released?

 
It is a stretch to think that secrecy was required for some reason (a police
or ASIO sting operation etc) in the filters implementation, but even if that
was the case, an appropriate transparent policy could still provide avenues
for official query and resolution.
 
It is logical that the members of this list at least notified of the policy
as we are the ones that will need to work with it and around it. Considering
the seemingly bungled job that was has been done in this case, I also
suggest it best if we actually help create it.
 
If such a policy is already in place, how did we end up here?
 
R¹s,
Jason
 
 

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Serge Burjak
Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2013 10:37
To: J Williams
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
melbournefreeuniversity.org.
 

What is a lawful request in this instance?


On 13/04/2013, at 9:56, J Williams <jphwilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Finally a sensible answer.
> 
> The carriers may be complying with a request from a lawful enforcement agency
> to filter this IP address, and are therefore unable to provide any further
> details, as per their obligations.
> 
> Telling them to 'man up' (which could be interpreted as sexist) or shooting
> down the intermediary is ridiculous and unhelpful.
> 
>  
> 
> Firstly, since this is deliberately blocked, the parties involved need to
> direct their queries to the relevant government body, perhaps ->
> http://www.afp.gov.au/contactaspx <http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.aspx>
> 
> Secondly, the internet has many workarounds, the end user can change hosting
> (to within Australia?) or ask the current provider for a different IP address,
> etc.
> 
>  
> 
> Please let us know how you go Danny.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Julian
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Phillip Grasso <phillip.grasso at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> If government interception was involved any parties cooperating wouldn't be
> able to say anything. Why won't the end user move another service and see if
> the block follows them.
> 
> On 11/04/2013 12:38 PM, "Joshua D'Alton" <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
> **ford.com <http://ford.com>
> 
>  
> 
> Well theres the culprit... ;)
> 
> The sad thing is the real culprit site has more than likely already moved to
> another IP, leaving all these legit sites up the creek. It's the piracy/DRM
> argument all over again :(
> 
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Simon Lyall <simon at darkmere.gen.nz> wrote:
> 1. Works from New Zealand
> 
> 2. There is a list of websites hosted on that IP at
> http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.54.104 . However they obscure the first two
> characters of each domain. Skimming though it nothing really jumped out. A
> fairly high number of Australian sites, all boring stuff:
> 
> www.clanfraser.org.au <http://www.clanfraser.org.au>
> www.tradecoastproperties.com.au <http://www.tradecoastproperties.com.au>
> www.fromholtz.com.au <http://www.fromholtz.com.au>
> www.brunswickplace.com.au <http://www.brunswickplace.com.au>
> www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au <http://www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au>
> 
> I keep expecting to find a Queensland dentist..
> 
> -- 
> Simon Lyall  |  Very Busy  |  Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/
> "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
> 
> 
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