[AusNOG] News: Minister Conroy contemplating Government-Fundedundersea cable?

[Noel Butler]

On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 10:15 +1000, Tim McCullagh wrote:

> Mark with all due respect I would suggest you stop believing the government 
> spin
> 


I wouldn't single out Mark in that, safly 50% of the voters in this
country believe in its spin, no mater which party is the ruler of the
day


> Your debt is a figure which you know,  no one knows how much the NBN will 
> cost, there has been no cost benefit analysis and you talk about the level 
> of debate.  The debate needs to be around what wealth is and how is it 
> created.  The NBN is unlikely to create any wealth whereas the Barco and 


Maybe they did, but is so scary they play the usual polly trick of deny,
deny, and deny



> I don't take Turnbull seriously since he allowed conroy to raid the 2.5 
> Billion rural comms fund to redirect it into he city based NBN.  Now there 
> are 2 local government areas asking for some help to improve there 
> communications and there is no money......... <sarc> who care it is only a 
> few country hicks </sarc> that create food and fibre and export income...... 
> yes we need to learn where money comes from.   Everyone  needs to understand 
> that wealth must be generated before it is spent and that is what the 
> country hicks do and we begrudge them decent communications.  Shame on us.
> 


Very well said


> The NBN will never be built (in its current form) for $37.5 billion and it 
> will never deliver the returns the government claims.  Also it will not be 
> built on time. For  start the ceo has little or  no network build out 
> experience he was a sales engineer.  Some of the staff selections that I 
> have come across while welll qualified on paper have no build experince. 
> Does a picture start to come to mind.   The NBN was going to be built on 
> power poles until the deal was done with Telstra which suggests the ground 
> keeps moving under the business plan, suggesting that it was never properly 
> thought out.
> 


*nod*


> Then comes the catcha.  Already we are seeing cost increases in DSL tail 
> charges forced by the ACCC so that the spin masters can say the NBN  is no 
> dearer than the current solutions.  Then lets see what has happened with 
> water and power prices (government controlled utilities) over the last 5 
> years or so.  THe priced have been rising in double digit increases while 
> the rest of the economy has been flat.  What do you think will happen with 
> then NBN.   Of cource at some stage a government is going to say no more 
> money (because all government local state and fed are broke)   so o   .... 
> NBN increase your prices to meet your needs.
> 


There is a reason these assholes are in  Govt, because most (but not
all) of them have no idea on how run private corporations
and in the end, it aint their money they are playing with.


> Does this really need to happen ?
> Does all of the population really need more than ADSL2 of fibre to the node?


Fraid so, all the new voters (and some older ones I spose) get their
pr0n, and illegally downloaded movies, a whole lot faster


> What really pisses me off is that the areas that currently do not have adsl 
> or equivilent will still end up with what they have now "satellite"  and we 
> are trying to justify the NBN under a nation building program.  What 
> rubbish.
> 

*nods*


> Another issue with the NBN is that the current government is requiring union 
> membership.  Talk about going backwards.   No that there is anything wrong 
> with unions, but we should be free to choose.


You are kidding?  fuck that!   Sounds like discrimination.


> Also anyone in the industry that thinks that the NBN will be easier to deal 
> with than Telstra is seriously misguided.  There will be no other network 
> provider to goto so lets see how authoritarian and infexible the NBNco 
> become.  They may well be worse then the PMG because today we rely on comms 
> more than we did back then.  Talk about history repeating itself and we 
> think we are cleaverer now.  We are dreaming


I have always said, NBNco = telstra mkII , but worse, given its illegal
for new comers to build their own competing nework


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