[AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

[Graeme Allen]

The map clearly shows Australia is a high priority for them...

http://he.net/HurricaneElectricNetworkMap.pdf

On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 11:31 +1000, Sean K. Finn wrote:
> I thought HE.Net was just one of the worlds largest peering networks, not an actual Internet network? 
> 
> Someone, please, correct me if I'm wrong.
> 
> $2 per Megabit is current published list prices, if not less.
> (38 cents per megabit from WAIX, 50c per megabit at 1Gbit in VIC or QLD?)
> 
> Heck, 10GB is even less, sub 10c per megabit.
> 
> 
> That being said, I don't see any rush to bastardise the market over here.
> 
> We're one tenth of the population of the US, and roughly geographically similar.
> 
> The same or similar Hurdles need to be faced here as anywhere else, but with much less revenue to drive it.
> 
> If we start cutting the arse out of our genuine transit prices for national haulage, why on earth would anyone want to be in this business, let alone be a quality provider in this business?
> 
> 
> International backhaul prices on backhaul aside, a truly national IP provider has to pay to..
> 
> A) Lug the data all over Australia on either their own network, or a leased network
> B) Pickup up actual International transit, through protected paths
> C) Pickup National traffic either through connections with the GOF or at Peering exchanges.
> 
> We pay for the privilege of not having to do this yourself.
> 
> AND, as much as some participants on this list will argue with me, and have done..
> 
> 1) Peering, Multilateral, and Private, is NOT going away any time soon, as price isn't the only driver.
> 2) Price isn't going to be the driver, because in order for your Transit models to get to the price of peering, you're already out of a job and in a different industry so that you can feed yourself.
> 3) Because BEER that's Why. 
> 
> The Status QUO is exactly TEN times the price of equivalent whatever as provided in the U.S, plus or minus 10% for population / political variance.
> 
> Try and change it if you will, but if it does change, you'll only be doing yourself and everyone around you a disservice.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Luke Iggleden
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:55 AM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
> 
> On 9/11/12 3:46 PM, Joshua D'Alton wrote:
> > If AAPT are offering deals down to the $15/Mbit level I'd think 
> > reliability is probably not a great concern, even if you were a 
> > business grade ISP. Without knowing their exact situation it would 
> > make sense that them charging more for transit probably wouldn't help 
> > reliability as much as people would think. With players like Exetel 
> > iiNet and TPG gathering transit from them, you can be fairly sure that 
> > 'transit' is still domestic for AAPT, more than likely just to another 
> > Go4. In other words, cheap.
> >
> > It is certainly needed to help reduce the number of situations where a 
> > provider will sign with someone like NTT for their transit, terminate 
> > it in Sydney, and let NTT do whatever they want with it after it 
> > leaves AU shores, since by that point it is going to be high-latency regardless.
> > And for things like Office365 online, latency to SG really doesn't matter.
> >
> 
> While I'm sure $15/Mbit is out there for some commit levels, it's far from $1/Mbit that he.net offers for the first Gbit/s in the USA.
> 
> If we want to be serious about making our hosted services (and
> datacentres!) competitive both domestically & internationally we need to be seeing sub $2/Mbit for state level peering.
> 
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