[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
Tony
td_miles at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 8 13:41:07 EST 2012
Coincidentally I read an article on this very topic a week or two ago. It's not a new article (Aug 2010) and is of course base on the USA market, but still relevant to this topic.
http://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php
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> From: Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au>
>To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 12:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
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>With transit prices dropping all the time. Im not sure how long the Sydney IX's can hold on. I don't believe they are two financially competitive right now. Im sure im not allowed to publicly say how much we pay for the pipe IX but needles to say it's only a small amount per meg cheaper then what we pay for transit from others and traffic seems to be falling on our pipe peer. So lets just say the target is a moving one at the moment. Now if Telstra/Optus were to join an IX that would be a different story but we all know that's not going to happen.
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>It would be nice if an IX was available without to many ongoing
costs (it's a layer 2 switch port after all) however with
interconnect pricing (global switch meet me etc) all this adds
up.
>
>There seems to be more value in pooling smaller ISP's together to
go to transit providers as a group. We have had some success
negotiating some better prices in that situation.
>
>As to the fight between PIPE/VOCUS It sounds like interesting
gossip The business man in me says this is their business but the
bitch in me wants the dirt. Now if you will excuse me
thesuperficial.com awaits
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>Matt.
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>On 8/11/12 12:57 PM, Joe Wooller wrote:
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>True, WAIA doesn't have an IX in Sydney, but Equinix and Pipe do.
>>Given that there is already 2 options for peering there it may get a bit crowded with a third.
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>>That said we are still seeing as4826 on QLD-IX, VIC-IX and WAIX.
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>>Cheers
>>Joe
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>>On 08/11/2012, at 9:47 AM, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net> wrote:
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>>But they aren't in Sydney.
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>>>
>>>WAIX's pricing is great... but until they are an option, there is no point worrying about them (in Sydney).
>>>
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>>>On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Brad Peczka <brad at bradpeczka.com> wrote:
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>>>I think WAIA is doing a pretty good job of that already. Today = VIC-IX, QLD-IX, WAIX, tomorrow = the world! :-)
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>-Brad.
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>>>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Greg Smith [greg at webmetrix.com.au]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:38 AM
>>>>To: Skeeve Stevens; Noel Butler
>>>>Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
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>>>>Time to build a new IX?
>>>>
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>>>>From:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
>>>>Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32
>>>>To: Noel Butler
>>>>Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
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>>>>
>>>>Noel,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Because it affects us all. In extra costs, extra complexity, extra hassles, extra design considerations, less choice in interconnect options, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've had multiple customers who have had extra work put on them by cable re-routing and re-provisioning, which in the end all seems to be caused by some bullshit turf war.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's.... now Pipe, under the new ownership seems to be doing the same thing. The company that rose to success largely because of who ran it and how they operated, no longer seems to consider what people think of them, which is sad, because it is (or was) a good network asset.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They still have a good value proposition, but this shit doesn't help anyone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd
>>>>skeeve at eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net
>>>>Phone: 1300 753 383; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>>>facebook.com/eintellego ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>>>>twitter.com/networkceoau ; blog: www.network-ceo.net
>>>>The Experts Who The Experts Call
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>>>>
>>>>On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 00:30 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone willing to openly
talk about what is going on with
Vocus and Pipe?
>>>>> Who is pissed at who for what
is the question?
>>>>
>>>>Ummm, sorry, why should they?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The commercial agreement between
them, is, well, between them -
nobody else.
>>>>
>>>>If you have a commercial agreement
with PIPE and/or Vocus that's
between you and each peer
provider, it doesn't give anyone
the right to know how they connect
or why they change things.
>>>>
>>>>End result is, you are all still
connected to the Internet, nobody
has dropped off the face of it
because of this.
>>>>Life goes on.
>>>>
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